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Spydiebenza 25

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by patrickguignot, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. GronK

    GronK Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 1, 2001
    Right. As usual, size doesn't matter!
  2. Justin Schmidt

    Justin Schmidt Schmidt Forge

    Feb 18, 2016
    Heres an email from Peter from spyderco legal department:
    We registered round hole as a trademark as used on folding knives. We're working on a world-wide registration program for all of our marks, but costs and bureaucracy slow things down. At this time, the round hole is registered in the US, and "claimed" in the rest of the world. Most trademarks go claimed but un-registered; holder's pursuing registration to improve the holder's rights. Since Spyderco developed a utility patent on the blade depression/though depression, the hole was obviously functional. This patent has expired; hence we have little to say about the functionality of other's opening holes. However, the USPTO made a ruling that even if an object has functionality (in fact/de facto) it could still have a unique recognizable shape. This argument prevailed (we were a significant early-on policy solidifying case), and we registered the round hole along with the "Spyderco, Bug, byrd, and Comet", amongst others. Hence the “round” of the hole is what we endeavor to maintain as a trademark representation of Spyderco. You can now see why the confusion over the internet. However, you’ve come to the right place to have the discussion; I’ve managed the IP portfolio since the early 90’s.

    Regarding use: Since the round hole represents us as a mark, we have to place some very tough restrictions on its’ use, like quality standards, etc., similar to how McDonalds/Wendy’s/Subway etc. control their franchisee’s. We’ve never had the interest in being the controlling type, so it is not in our business model to do so. We do license custom makers, because they are willing to submit (in theory at least) to a nearly unlimited bar of excellence to use the representation. We also limit the use to 50 pieces per year, for an annual fee of $50. Except on very high-end custom pieces, it is a fairly high royalty. In addition to the afore stuff, we now require mention anytime a photo of a product bearing the mark is published. However, having said all of that, we do not have anything to say about any other shape except the Comet. Sal’s patent expired a number of years ago, and in keeping with US patent law, we make no mention of rights to a “depression/through depression” for the use of one-hand opening of a knife. The market exploded with one-hand openers as the patent neared expiration. We’ve learned over the years, there are actually a variety of very useful opening hole shapes depending on the use of the blade. Spyderco restricted itself to the “round” primarily for identification/trademark purposes.

    What we are licensing is the trademark that represents Spyderco.
  3. James Y

    James Y

    Feb 18, 1999
    I see nothing ridiculous or wrong at all about Spyderco trademarking the round hole for OHO.

  4. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    Yes, I expected it to be a folding survival knife.
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  5. Justin Schmidt

    Justin Schmidt Schmidt Forge

    Feb 18, 2016
    Cant tell if serious or sarcastic
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  6. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    Me too.
  7. wensynch


    Apr 30, 2016
    It's not the hole per se that compromises the structural integrity of the blade steel, but more the quality of the drilling that may disturb and usually the common culprit to a broken blade.

    I think edge geometry is the biggest factor when considering the blade with the opening mechanism usually an after thought. At least on paper, am I right?
  8. Edgeoflife

    Edgeoflife Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2018
    I think its cool and to each their own. If it helps you deploy your knife more effectively then so be it and Its one of the most interesting mods i have seen so far. not something I was aware could be commissioned to have done so thank you for sharing. It looks to be well executed.
  9. photoman12001

    photoman12001 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 23, 2008
    It happens to CRKs as well. I've seen several reports of it, especially on the Sebenza 25/Inkosi.
    I snagged this photo from the Facebook CRK Fanpage. You can see the crack going towards the jimping. The crack always appears in this spot and CRK has replaced them under warranty.

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  10. red mag

    red mag

    Apr 12, 1999
    To me it looks like a "Spyderco" not a "Reeve".
  11. What I would be really interested in is whether the "Round Hole" mark would hold up to something like Andrew Demko's "engagement ring" patent. The patent is for what is basically a Spydiehole with an extended edge. It's been used on at least a few Cold Steel knives (Golden Eye, Grik, Khan).
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  12. Justin Schmidt

    Justin Schmidt Schmidt Forge

    Feb 18, 2016
    Happens to the best of us
  13. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    1CB2376F-64EC-4A64-87E3-E0D23FADFFAA.jpeg @patrickguignot

    I love the hole mod. Ive always wanted to do that. Im not afraid of modding CRK’s myself.
    As for weakening the knife...i wouldnt worry about it. If it breaks there, we are doing something we shouldnt be doing with a knife. Lol.
    Anyways, congrats!! Looks awesome!!

    Edit: Just re-read my post, i meant “As for myself, Im not afraid of modding CRK’s”
    It sounded like i did the work myself, that is not so. I had the talented man, Josh from REK perform my mods for me. Thanks Josh @razor-edge-knives
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2019
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  14. RenOfTheBlade


    Apr 23, 2017
  15. RenOfTheBlade


    Apr 23, 2017
    These both look even nicer in person... the holes allow you to admire the Damascus even when closed :)

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  16. Alsharif

    Alsharif Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 8, 2018
    @Sharp & Fiery Hot damn, those two knives are drop-dead gorgeous.
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  17. CdnMitch


    Jan 12, 2019
    I second this statement...best looking CRK I have seen.
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  18. BladeScout

    BladeScout Basic Member Basic Member

    May 16, 2010
    I quite like the look of the CRK blade hole version. I dont do thumb studs and prefer the hole in the Spyderco blades.
    CRK fans tend to get defensive about these ''hybrids' but they dont need to. The CRKs are beautiful quality knives in their own right. The occasional Spyderco hole doesnt detract from that. Besides the OP can do with his knife as he wants.

    As much as I like the hole in the blade, I dont agree wth the OPs critque of the Spyderco trademark nor do I believe, that his comparison with the hole and the invention of the wheel holds water ... and thats me being diplomatic.

    As for those thinking this is a '15-20 minute job with a Dremel,' thats a laughable notion. Paying a pro to do this mod is fully justified. If you think the price is too steep, dont do the mod.

    As before, its your knife and you can do with it as you choose. Personally, I dont care for that half scallopped look of the handle scale on the top knife ... and when I say I dont care for it, thats me being diplomatic again.
    Speaking in general terms; Im all for mods but just because you can do it or have it done, doesnt always mean you should.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2019
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  19. brownshoe

    brownshoe I support this site with my MIND

    Sep 6, 2002
    BM had permission from Spyderco to use the hole 20 years or so ago. Just like cold steel had permission to use the Spydrco frn integral pocket clip in the early Voyager. However, I believe BM permission extended to only one model. Spyderco holes vary in size and tiny ones are in their fixed blades to protect their trademark.
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  20. Dingle1911


    Nov 28, 2005
    Cool mod, I like it.

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