stainless vs aluminum pins on knife handles

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Questions for the more experienced. I've been using stainless steel pins a lot lately and noticed that (especially with wood) they can easily become proud or "bulging" easily. I know that this is because SS is much tougher than wood. first questions is, any tips for combatting the "buldge"? Second question is, I've been considering aluminum pins as a solution and wanted to know others thoughts before I start using it on knives?
 
The only problem with aluminum pins is they are soft and mar and scratch easily. Ive not yet used SS.

Jay
 
The pins don't bulge. Either the handle material is shrinking, or you arent sanding properly. Block sanding will keep this from happening.
 
Hey John. My first thought is that there are a lot of makers that have this figured out; you will too. Second thought is that aluminum pins are relatively rare on handmade knives in my experience. I personally don’t care for the color/look of Al in finished work and a frequent comment is that the stuff work hardens so fast on peening that it can be miserable to get right.

I use 416SS mostly, but also 304SS, nickel silver and occasionally brass pins. All are harder than most common handle materials and benefit from a similar approach towards keeping them flush through finishing process.

To expand on what Bill said, my personal process goes something like this. Shape handle to about 95% nominal and pin. Peen heads till lateral movement stops. Give epoxy seal time to set up properly then file off heads and continue to work the handle to final form.

Now that pins are cut down dead flush and handle is in final shape…so the trick is to maintain that flush geometry till polish.

A sharp 6” or 8” mill file used in a draw/push filing motion will help keep things flat as you go along, but once the sanding starts, stick with fresh sharp abrasives combined with a backer of the appropriate hardness and you can likely avoid going back to the files again (I also selectively use fine and medium diamond files to go back and knock down proud heads with minimal damage to surrounding finish).

To state the obvious, what is causing the problem is the removal of surrounding handle material at a faster rate than the pin material. The idea here is that hard and flat abrasive backings simply do not allow this, especially if you can span two or more pins on contact of a single stroke. Change to fresh paper often, use light pressure if possible (maybe back up a grit or two instead), use a hard and dead flat backer (I prefer diemakers stones because, even bone dry, the paper doesn’t slide easily like on steel backers). And have an orderly plan for finishing (e.g. mill file, 220, 320, 500, and 800 grit etc).

With a plan in place, don’t move up to the next grit until you have your best work done with the previous one. Look as much as you sand. Check flush as you go and don’t let it get away from you. For the final few strokes at high grit, you can get away with a softer leather or rubber backer, but each stroke will take you (slowly) in the wrong direction. Geometric form (pins being flush) must take precedence over surface finish till the end and you can have both very well done approaching it this way.

Good luck to you and hope this helps.
 
Would you suggest using a file as backer? That's how I do the spines anyways to keep them square and 90
 
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A clean file may work for you but consider the gaps in support of your paper in the file gullets. Even a fine mill file is maybe 10 thousandths between teeth and that slop will add up fast as it rides the edges of your pin material on every stroke. After some practice, it would probably work well enough but your material transition is a different issue than draw filing a steel spine.

You can often feel things with your fingertips that you can't see even in good light. Maybe a few thousandths of a step.

Once you figure that out just try different material/tool combinations until you consistently hit your goals without cussing the dog.

Nothing beats practice - ever.
 
In order to keep the ss pins from getting proud, you have to re-flatten them to the surface of the material after you are done with all the rough sanding. Usually when I get to 220, I stop and re flatten them on the grinder. I'm super carful to try to only touch the pin to the grinder. Then a very light blending with 220, a 400 grit sanding with a leather backing on the paper, and scotchbrite pads.

But the solution to the problem is to get away from metal pins. Micarta and g10 pins sand flush to the handle material with no effort. They never burn the handle material. AND, they provide plenty of strength to hold the knife together.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Aluminum. I don't like the chips floating in the air when you machine it. I don't like they way it gums up tools. IMO it doesn't grind well. Its just not for me. I'd stay w steel or go phenolic before using Al. I also like the look of copper a lot.
 
I've always used titanium. You can always anodize it to make the pins and guard match. Send me your address in a PM and I'll send you a small piece of 1/8" Ti to try out.

Charles
 
I see no reason to use aluminum on a knife. It's gummy, it mars easily, it's not terribly strong, it's gummy, it's ugly as sin when it "ages"... did I mention it's gummy?

In addition to being a huge pain to work with, it can also be a danger... you do not want to be mixing steel/iron grindings together with aluminum grindings and then put a spark to it. Google "thermite"...
 
I see no reason to use aluminum on a knife. It's gummy, it mars easily, it's not terribly strong, it's gummy, it's ugly as sin when it "ages"... did I mention it's gummy?

In addition to being a huge pain to work with, it can also be a danger... you do not want to be mixing steel/iron grindings together with aluminum grindings and then put a spark to it. Google "thermite"...

It has worked pretty will for Randall Knives over the years :)
 
It has worked pretty will for Randall Knives over the years :)


Indeed it has, and their clients seem very happy with it. Good for them.

I don't choose materials based on what other makers like. I choose them based on what works for me and my clients. It just so happens that stainless steel is easier to work with, more durable, looks as pretty or as plain as you want it to, and is also less expensive than aluminum. So that's what I use.
 
I am a nickel silver lover. I love the look it gets after awhile. Try nickel silver pins instead of stainless steel. I keep a variety of sizes. They are not super expensive and can be bought easily from Jantz knife Supply and other knife supply co.s They also match the bolsters nicely in nickel silver. They are easy to peen and will give a tiny bit if your tang holes and scales are off by a fraction of a degree. They sand and finish much more easily than stainless in my opinion. Lastly, I have been using one of Rob Frink's rotary platens (Beaumont Metal Works) to finish grind scales with stainless bolsters and pins...they are finished with a bit of curve that you cannot get with a disc sander or a slack belt attachment. The rotary platen gives just enough to keep an even finish on a curved surface without grinding away the softer wood.
 
I'm with Larry on this. I find NS the best combination of strength, ease of finishing, and looks. Yes, it will somewhat darken or even yellow with age, but it takes one swipe with a polishing cloth or 2000+ grit paper to restore that.

I also love my rotary platen for handle finishing.
 
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