stun guns and those millions of volts, is that just marketing?

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Hello
Friends asked me to buy couple of stun guns for them :)
I took a fast look at ebay and was surprised how fast the things in the market has changed.
The "hit" right now seems to be the 3.5 million volt ones like those:
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-MILLION-VOL...43907189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_1132wt_1137

http://cgi.ebay.com/WingMan-JOLT-St...423200329?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_2207wt_911


Is this with the volts just marketing?
I have one considered to be almost 1 million volts that i bought 1-2 years ago, it hurts quite a lot, kinda can make someone hit the ground for a while, but i wouldnt count on it for self defense. (it's one of those that look like a ugly cell phone)

If those are trully 3.5 TIMES more powerful, now that would be something. But how to tell if those values are real or just pure marketing?
If someone has tried one of the models above that would be great feedback! :)


p.s.
here is one which design i like and considering to get if those volts dont really mean much, since its an older one ONLY 1.2 million volts :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-2-MILLION-VOL...20540571?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_3065wt_1137
If someone is satisfied with this one, please share :)
 
It's $30 and the other ones $24, I wouldn't trust it or the facts with those price tags. Also don't think stun guns are a good self defense tool.
 
yes thats what made me suspicious too, so decided to ask for first hand impressions.

On the other hand i see that most of them are cheap nowadays
 
I'd agree with Morimotom.

I'd also say, that likely those are peak (labratory setting) numbers for open circuit, meaning just arcing away without tissue or anything connecting the terminals.

The second you hit anything conductive that drops substantially to very low numbers.

If you want a stun gun, for for one of the civilian model taser pistols (don't remember the name off hand) they do a 30 second drive and the company should replace it if ever used with a police report filed)
 
Voltage is not the most important thing in a stun gun. You have to check the amperage also. A 3 to 4 milliamp discharge is far more effective than 1 to 2 milliamps, no matter what the voltage.
 
65535 said:
I think he was hoping to recommend you buy it and try it...on yourself.
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By hooking it up to his nipples and then inserting a tire gauge into his rear. Turn it on :eek: the air pressure created from his rear contracting should measure on the gauge and then use those numbers to determine how many million it actually is :rolleyes:

Of course I'm not one of those fancy scienmotologists so it might not work ;)

Like I said it was a W&C comment which is why I didn't post it.
 
MutedRaccoon said:
By hooking it up to his nipples and then inserting a tire gauge into his rear. Turn it on :eek: the air pressure created from his rear contracting should measure on the gauge and then use those numbers to determine how many million it actually is :rolleyes:

Of course I'm not one of those fancy scienmotologists so it might not work ;)

Like I said it was a W&C comment which is why I didn't post it.
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you couldnt resist could you? :>
forum ninja
 
Regardless of rated voltage, "stun guns" are simply contact pain-compliance devices.
They hurt while they are in contact.
None have any great amount of amperage.
In contrast, the Taser produces a mere 40,000 volts, at almost no amperage. However, the frequency of the discharge is the same as that of the nerve impulses to the voluntary muscles.
So.... A massive "charly horse" takes place.
 
mwerner said:
Regardless of rated voltage, "stun guns" are simply contact pain-compliance devices.
They hurt while they are in contact.
None have any great amount of amperage.
In contrast, the Taser produces a mere 40,000 volts, at almost no amperage. However, the frequency of the discharge is the same as that of the nerve impulses to the voluntary muscles.
So.... A massive "charly horse" takes place.
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hm, so does it mean that this uzi pen that is also low voltage and marketed like interferring with the nerve system impulses, actually works?
 
Doesn't take 40,000 volts to cause severe uncoordinated muscle contraction. Low voltages such as 240V (household current in most foreign countries, and present in US households for heavy appliances).

Think about the circumstances you'd actually use the taser, you want something guaranteed and reliable. A brand with a good track record, not the cheapest chinese maker.

I still recommend a taser with leads that can be shot at the offender then dropped and you can get out of there, the model I was talking with my sergeant friend about will give a 30 second ride giving you time to run away.
 
yeah taser is much better, unfortunately not what we are looking for here
240V at home can easily kill you but that's because of the amperage
basicly the volts are just the "vibrations" of the current right? But the power comes from the amperage?
 
craigz said:
Voltage is not the most important thing in a stun gun. You have to check the amperage also. A 3 to 4 milliamp discharge is far more effective than 1 to 2 milliamps, no matter what the voltage.
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:thumbup:Yep,It's all about the amperage.

Years ago me & my buddy used to get drunk & zap each other with 850K-1M volt stun guns.Yes it hurts,but I can't see myself being incapacitated(dropped) by them,like you see in the movies.
 
you should also consider the use of taser (and simlar shock devices) and oc are used by police to subdue and ultimately take a suspect in to custody.

we do not use them in order to escape. we are going in to the fight, not attempting to get away from it.
 
The police Taser (the X26) delivers it's pulse for a mere 5 seconds per trigger pull. (you can continue to zap the suspect if necessary....)
As I understand it, the civilian model does indeed run for 30 seconds. This should give one the opportunity to get away, get to a place of safety, or find a brickbat....
 
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