surefire e2e or e2e elite

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culter

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I'm considering getting a surefire e2e or e2e elite. Is the elite worth the extra money? What are the benefits of the pyrex lense?
What's a good price for them?
 
Just for reference, I believe that the designation of the e2 is either the e2 executive or the e2e executive elite. Just to avoid confusion.
I looked around for a while before getting an e2e. The primary reason I got the elite was because of the lock-out tail cap (LOTC), not because of the pyrex lens. Through various sources, I came to the conclusion that the pyrex is more resistant to heat, and slightly more resistant to scratches. However, I couldn't find any report of problems with the lexan lens regarding heat, and I have read that there are NO plans to release a high output lamp assembly (HOLA) for the E2. There is a low output lamp assembly (LOLA) due to be released very soon, however. Like within a few weeks, last I heard. Also, while more scratch resistant, the pyrex will still scratch, and also I've read that the scratches really have little to no effect on the light output, visibly.
My understanding is the LOTC increases the water resistance of the e2 (somewhere I read making it waterproof, although only to a minimal depth; it is definitely not a diving light!). Additionally, it is easier to index the LOTC to the momentary-only position due to the notch in the body and the dimple in the tail cap. Good for covert operation (like I'll ever need that; but at least it is there).
The biggest things to consider for me were the differences in the bezels and the clips between the e2 and e2e. I have heard several people say the "anti-roll bezel" of the e2e is redundant at best, and obtrusive (?) at worst. The standard bezel set-up of the e2 prevents it from rolling, due to the clip. My e2e is actually sort-of a hybrid, with the new clip set-up, yet the old, non-anti-roll (howya like that string of hyphens?) bezel. It does not roll, however. :)
There are rumors, I believe, of a click-cap assembly coming out for the e2, similar to the one that is now available for all the standard diameter lights (6P, 9P, D2, D3, and such). Just for information. You might want to peruse www.candlepowerforums.com and www.186thousand.com for more information. Hope this helps. I'm very much a newbie, so consider that regarding the information above.
 
Thanks for the info rockspyder :)
Your right the LOTC might be well worth the extra money. Considering what those batteries cost it would be a shame to drain them accidentally.

[edited for spelling]
 
Another difference between the E2 and E2e is that the pyrex lens lets a little more light through than the lexan lens. I'm not saying I can see a big difference, but I'm told it is there. I'd recommend the HA finish (a few bucks more, but a lot tougher). Rockspyder gave you a good summary and referenced two excellent sites. Keep looking on both for bargains in the E2. You probably won't find any bargains on an E2e. After using the E2 for a while you will probably want to buy an E2e (and probably sell the E2 for what you paid for it). I carry my E2e in my back pocket beside my billfold on a daily basis. Sometimes I carry it clipped in my front pocket. A great little light. Fair warning, Surefires are contageous (like blades). Happy hunting.
Jim
 
I have an E2.

That being said, if this one is ever lost, stolen, whatever, I'd gladly replace it with the E2e. I just can't justify spending the money right now.

The HOLA subjugated to the wish list negated a large advantage of the pyrex lens, the added heat resistance. It's not needed now.

The increase of light transmission, with my eyes, isn't noticable. I swapped the head from my E1e back and forth a few times, and I'll be damned if I can tell a difference, but it's suposedly there.

There maybe additional anti-roll protection with the hex bezel, but I haven't had a problem. Probably because I don't tend to put flashlights down on surfaces that they may very well roll off of.

The biggies for the Elite series is the LOTC (which seems to operate more smoothly than that of my standard E2 cap), and, strangely, the new clip. The old clip has knurling underneath it on the light's body, which tends to tear hell out of pocket edges. The Elite series has a smooth section underneath the clip which makes using the clip smoother and easier for your wardrobe. Sure, sounds like a dumb thing, but it's an issue for some.
 
I just went to the Surefire forum. I don't know this person so use your own judgement. E2 for $45 in the for sale section.
Jim
 
Thanks for your answers. I'm convinced now that the e2e is worth the exra money. Now I only have to concinve my wallet to part with all that money :D
Even my girlfriend is convinced that the e2e looks way cooler.

I thought the e stands for executive. But I stand corrected. That's probably the first e, right?
 
Originally posted by culter
I thought the e stands for executive. But I stand corrected. That's probably the first e, right?
Click to expand...

I'm guessing yes. The side of mine says, "EXECUTIVE ELITE E2e." Sooooo... your guess is as good as mine. ;)
 
just to make everything perfectly clear the e2 is the e2 executive and the e2e is the e2 executive elite.

- Pete
 
I used to carry the SureFire E2.
Since I got my E2e, I've never looked back.
The E2e has all the physical features that I need from a flashlight I can carry all the time without having to worry about it, or mostly, even notice it's clipped to the inside of my trouser pocket.

The E2e PocketClip is (for me) a massive improvement over the E2. It is tight enough to keep the E2e where I clip it without it sliding about, and my E2e has never fallen out of my pocket or come loose.

The great thing is that you can still use the longer style clip from the C or D Series or the M2 because they clips are interchangeable.

For EDC, SureFire HA is the only way to go in my experience.

Al
 
Interesting to hear differing opinions. While I love the E2e that I have, when I ordered another Surefire, I ended up ordering an E2. Personally, for carry, I do not like the clip on either of them, but at least it appears that the clip on the E2 can be removed without leaving behind such and eyesore of a slot as on the E2e. When the E2 comes in, I plan on removing the clip from it, switch the tailcap with my E2e, install the MN02 (whenever it comes; I contacted Surefire yesterday and pre-ordered it), and make it my daily carry. Without the clip, it will ride perfectly in my back pocket next to my wallet. The E2e with the clip will have the normal lamp, fresh batteries, and will be placed in reserve in the bathroom for the worst case intruder scenario.

Incidentally, both of mine were ordered in the satin gray/gun metal (hopefully those are the same, or I'm going to have some funny lookin' flashlights). I feel that they look less tactical that way, and even if the finish wears a little on the gray, it won't show up THAT bad.

{EDIT - Errrr... that's "bedroom," not bathroom. Although I suppose the bathroom would be the "worst case scenario." :eek: }
 
When I got my E1-GM for EDC, there were four E1's in the country of which two were HA. I carried the E1 for a long time until the E2 came out. I got the E2-HA because the EDC wear and tear on the GM finish has resulted in GM anodising wearing off all the sharp and sharpish edges, and the body and bezel to get a few scratches. So it looks like I've carried it every day for about a year.

The E2-HA and the E2e-HA have maintained their anodisation showing practically no signs of use.

SG or "Satin Gray" is the new name for what was called GM or "gun metal gray". People were saying that the anodistion didn't look anything like gun metal...

Al
 
Hmmmm... sounds pretty good... the HA that is. OK. So my NEXT E2 will be in HA. ;)

Are the worn areas on the SG finish very noticeable at a glance? I mean, the SG is relatively close to the bare aluminum, so I'm just wondering how bad the worn areas show.
 
I have had an e1HA for a while, and ironically just got an e2HA today. They had an e2e at the shop, but I felt it was a little bulkier than the e2, and I would rather have the light as compact as possible, rather than larger with extra features. I have a D2 Defender that fills that gap. I also have to concur that the HA finish is tough as nails. At first I didn't like it, preferring the gunmetal finish, but now the "tactical" look of the HA, plus its durability, has won me over. My next light will be one of those Combat jobs, either the Z2 or C2. I'm leaning to the C2 because although I don't want a clip on it, I do want the HA, which isn't offered on the Z2. Actually, I tried the G2 Nirtolon, and that is a hella nice light for $45!
 
@Slowhand,

have a look at the SureFire M2
m2ha_full.jpg

with 120 lumen you will get a realy nice HA combatlight.

For a long time the SF 6Z (P61) with 120 lumen was my daily carry and the light was like a weapon :D - in summer I use the SF E2e-HA because of its size.

bye

Torsten
 
Hmmmm.... M2 in HA.... I have been reading some good things about that one. One guy over on, I think, the Surefire discussion board claims he has actually gone snorkeling with that light, with no problems. Plus the shock isolated bezel..... But that thing is pretty expensive!
 
Here is the/one thread about the M2 from the SureFire diskussion board :

M2...what's so special?

I myself own among other SF´s the M3 Millenium Light with 250 lumen - it is nearly undestroyable, waterproof and with an isolated bezel. The M2 ist the small brother with 2 batteries and might be one of the next SF´s I will buy.

bye

Torsten
 
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