Surface grinder wheel

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I finally got my surface grinder running and am shopping for a wheel for it. Went on MSC and did a search for an 8"x1"x1.25" wheel and quite a few came up. Can someone direct me to what kind of wheel I would be best off with for general use ? Grit, Hardness, material, etc?
I will be using it to prep steel, and for blade cleanup after grinding.
Thanks
 
Does your SG take 1" thick wheels? Most smaller sized SG's don't. My larger Hydro feed one does, but the smaller one only takes half inch wheels.



The Norton 5SG ceramic wheels are usually widely recommended as great long lasting all-purpose wheels. A 46 grit wheel, dressed at different rates, should be suitable for most knifemaking applications and depending on dressing, will cut fast with a course finish, or slower with a medium/fine finish.


I sometimes use a 60 grit wheel and with a fine dress, will give the equivalent of a 300 grit belt finish.


In most cases, very little reason to get anything finer, especially if your surface grinder doesn't have a 0.0005 or finer feed.


Retail on these wheels is pretty high but one will likely last you forever in non-industrial use. You can find them on ebay pretty regularly.
 
I wasted a lot of money on wheels back in the late 90s'. Finally found one that works and have used it ever since.

 
I wasted a lot of money on wheels back in the late 90s'. Finally found one that works and have used it ever since.


Don turned me on to these wheels and they plain work and worked correctly do not heat up the steel. I think the key to them is that they fracture easily always exposing new grit.

John Lloyd
 
Thanks guys. Very helpful.
Javand, my SF is a 618 Boyer Schultz . I don't have the manual. I better check it out to make sure a 1" will fit. I assume the size limitation is only spindle capacity?
 
After a lot of web searching I did come up with some manuals for Boyar Shultz grinders. My machine is a 6X18 as well and none of the manuals are exact but close enough. They do say you can use a 1 inch wheel. Based upon personal experience, I recommend you stick with 1/2 inch wheels. The 1 inch makes for a lot of traversing and, if your machine is manual, a lot of work. I started with 1 inch wheels and quickly realized they were not a good choice.
Randy
 
Thanks guys. Very helpful.
Javand, my SF is a 618 Boyer Schultz . I don't have the manual. I better check it out to make sure a 1" will fit. I assume the size limitation is only spindle capacity?

I can't post direct links, get them here

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=4156


http://www.sterlingmachinery.com/db-files/boyar-schultz challenger 6-18 surface grinder borchure.pdf


Are you sure you can fit an 8" wheel? and not just a 7"

If that last brochure is like yours, the specs are there





what HP is the motor ?

Chances are you can't do full width passes on the wide wheel
but that depends on wheel type and doc and other stuff.
 
I'm somewhat confused as to why it's ok to convert to a 2x72 belt, but a 1" wheel is too much.
Can someone explain that logic to me? The machine is 1hp.
Thanks
 
Thanks for the links Count. Spot on.
The SF will fit an 8" wheel but the specs do call for 7" so there I go.
 
I'm somewhat confused as to why it's ok to convert to a 2x72 belt, but a 1" wheel is too much.
Can someone explain that logic to me? The machine is 1hp.
Thanks

Whether you use a belt or stone, you start at the edge of the bar and work across it .010-.030" or so each pass. The leading edge of the wheel is doin most of the work, so a 1/2" wide wheel will do fine & at half the cost of a 1" wheel. I've actually never seen a 1" wheel on a surface grinder, but some of the big ones might use that size?
 
Whether you use a belt or stone, you start at the edge of the bar and work across it .010-.030" or so each pass. The leading edge of the wheel is doin most of the work, so a 1/2" wide wheel will do fine & at half the cost of a 1" wheel. I've actually never seen a 1" wheel on a surface grinder, but some of the big ones might use that size?



I use 1" thick wheels on my Landis 618 Hydraulic, but it has flood coolant. Not that I always use it, but definitely on thin stock.

It also has a 3" spindle adapter, which it's hard to find 1/2" thick wheels with 3" hole.


FWIW I normally use one of those Norton 32A wheels also, that Don recommends. Since that's what I've got, I also use the Radiac POR-OS-WAY ruby wheels and a Norton 5SG Ceramic on my Do-All 612, which is a smaller SG. The 5SG if you can find them, are just a ceramic alumina wheel, very similar otherwise to the equivalent 32A, although both of them come in various grit, hardness, bond, and friability. The speed the friability and hardness will affect the speed with which they break down, which affects the aggressiveness and heat build up.


Every manufacturer uses different codes also, which aren't standardized. Check out this file for a guide on Norton's wheels: http://www.nortonindustrial.com/upl...s/Documents/Toolroom Selection Chart 7505.pdf


For instance, I'm using a Norton 5SGP70-K8VH 7x3/8x1.5 wheel to cut my nail nicks. I would have bought a finer grit but I bought this wheel because it was the only "VH" code wheel I could find, which is a more closed structure wheel with high "form holding" capability. This means it's able to hold a sharp dressed corner edge angle, which is what I found I needed for nail nick clarity.

I tried numerous more porous wheels and they sucked.


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Hey Rick,
I'm guessing you are talking about the blade flying off the magnetic chuck, but can you elaborate anyway?

I would like to hear more info too. Most have guards around the wheel in case it breaks up and for the most part if the blade flys off the magnetic chuck it is going in a know direction that nobody should ever be in while the grinder is on, is there something I am missing.
 
Hey Rick,
I'm guessing you are talking about the blade flying off the magnetic chuck, but can you elaborate anyway?

I would like to hear more info too. Most have guards around the wheel in case it breaks up and for the most part if the blade flys off the magnetic chuck it is going in a know direction that nobody should ever be in while the grinder is on, is there something I am missing.

Wheels exploding. Never had a blade fly off the mag chuck. Rick knows his chit! :cool:
 
Wheels exploding. Never had a blade fly off the mag chuck. Rick knows his chit! :cool:

Doh, good point Don and something I should have known! When I first got mine and looked up surface grinding on youtube a good number of the videos are gory safety videos on what can happen when stones explode. For those that need some safety tips and methods of checking the integrity of stone wheels "That Lazy Machinist" has a good video out there youtube and an excellent 2 hour series on shop safety as well.
 
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