Survival Bike: KTM 990 Adventure R vs. BMW R1200GS Adventure

Which dual-purpose bike would you choose for survival travel?

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K Williams

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Which dual-purpose motorcycle would you choose for survival/bugging out: KTM 990 Adventure R, the BMW R1200GS Adventure, or another bike(post what you'd choose instead)? Does anyone own these bikes? How do you like them for on & off-road performance?
 
Don't have one, but the Suzuki V-Strom looks like a real work horse. Saw lots of them touring the White Mountains of NH this summer. Might just be the working man's beemer.
 
I'd opt for the Beemer F800GS, way less cumbersome than the R series.
 
None of the above! There was actually a thread about this a LOOOOONG time ago. I'll see if I can find it. I was the service manager in a shop for years and for the past several years have been working in a Italian/Japanese bike shop. I've been in motorcycles since 1983. Neither of what you just described is a good survival bike. One word, MAINTENANCE!

I'll start from the beginning.

Things to take into consideration when choosing a bugout or survival dualsport:

A) Versatility as pertaining to size.
The bigger you go, the less places are easily accessible. With a large motorcycle with a high seat height, you're instantly limited on where you can travel. Immediately, you're only good for forest service roads, fire roads, etc. No tight trails. Nothing the requires proper suspension. I did years of fun dualspot adventure riding and camping. The conclusion I came to, don't go bigger than you need.

B) Reliability.
BMW's, Triumphs, KTM, Ducati, etc. are all wonderful motorcycles as long as you HAVE THE MAINTENANCE DONE AS OUTLINED IN THE OWNERS MANUAL. If you don't catastrophic events are in your future. If you're a regular motorcycle mechanic that has worked on European bikes for years, you're good to go, provided of course that you have the proper tools. The problem with that is that the tools are expensive as hell and you'd have to carry a lot of them with you. If you valves get out of whack, BANG, you just fried the motor. For anyone who is NOT a seasoned European motorcycle mechanic, don't even try. There's a reason why you pay so much in service charges. Those guys are worth the money they charge. Without the proper maintenance, your bike will be a paperweight before you know it. Get something that is easy to work on and requires NO special tools.

That brings us to part C.
C) Ease of Maintenance.
Two words. BUY JAPANESE. They are the easiest bikes to work on on the planet and require no special tools. With a small bit of tool kit and a good Clymer's service manual, you can do everything you would need to in order to maintain the bike. You can easily carry everything with you to work on it. ALSO!!! Japanese bikes are like AK47's. You miss a little maintenance, no big deal. That sucker could run off human peepee without any wheels.

D) Storage.
Many people argue that the reason to go for one of the bigger Euro bikes is for the storage capacity. Wrong. You can get hard or soft bags, top cases, tank bags, for kits, you name it for ANY bike out there. One of the popular things to do amongst the super hard core is to go with an aftermarket tank and actually convert one storage spot to an extra fuel cell. I did this. Very cool for doing distance.

E) Suggestions.
Get a proper dirt bike. Don't just get one that one of the many LYING manufacturers tells you is "a great on/off road adventure bike". They're full of the dook. Some of the choices out there these days are plenty and inexpensive. Don't get something huge. YOU DON'T NEED IT! Here are a few I highly recommend.

Yamaha WR250R Dualsport. This bike is a proper dirt bike with great suspension and it will easily do 90MPH on the highway with a 220lb. man on it.
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Kawasaki KLR250 Again, a proper dirt bike with real suspension and will go highway speeds.
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With this next one, you're right on the edge of going too big. The Kawasaki KLR650. It is a big bike, about the size of a Vstrom. It's a little bit easier to pull through tight trails than any Euro adventure bike or Strom, but it is definitely on the huge side of what you would want in a bugout bike.
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Next up, the Suzuki DRZ400S. This one has a good motor for the size of bike it is, but I will warn you, that motor will not increase top speed, only torque and low RPM and midrange power.
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Suzuki also makes a 650 model that is pretty easy to hold up in tight stuff. Very nice dualsport.

As far as dualsports go, these are among my favorites. I like to go with nothing over a 400 and nothing that isn't a proper dirtbike. If you're limited to regular roads, fireroads, forest service roads, then why even get one of these. Just get a truck. Much more storage. However, if you want to be able to go EVERYWHERE, get a good proper dualsport. There are two kinds of dualsport/adventure bikes out there. Ones that "can also go on the dirt" and ones "that can also go on the street." You want the second one, "ones that can also go on the street". That means that they were designed to be a good offroad bike first, and just had some turn signals added on later. That bike will go anywhere you want.

And I'm spent. Feel free to ask any further questions.
 
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I wouldnt go with any of the bikes you mentioned.

IMO a survival/emergency bike should be lightweight, easily maintained, reliable, robust and fuel-efficient. If youre considering riding off into the wilderness in case of an emergency then you should go looking for a dirtbike. If your scenario entails you getting out of the city asap then id trade some of the offroad capabilities in for a bike that has abit more power such as Yamha's TDM900, Suzuki V-strom, etc.
I love dirtbikes and dualsport'ers but their highway/speed capabilites leave alot to be desired. 100kmh can get real tiring if its for a prolonged period of time.

The Beemer is a monster-tourer and was made even more popular by Ewan McGregor and the show "Long Way Around". Its real nice and if i could afford one id get one for sure, but as a survival bike its not real good. For starters it weighs a ton...if you drop it, youll break your back trying to get it up again. Here in Europe we've got loads of beemers cruising the streets and they got a rep for reliability but the 1200gs is just way too big. Check out Ewan's show and youll see how often they struggle with the bikes size and weight when offroading in demanding conditions.

KTM's have a reputation for needing ALOT of maintenance to prevent any major problems. Their engines are highly tuned compared to the mass-produced jap bikes and are known for gearbox malfunctions, atleast thats what ive heard.

Dylside summed it up pretty good, stick with the proven japanese makes and you wont go wrong. Just beware that alot of the bikes marketed as dualpurpose are overhyped. Often theyre too heavy, underpowered and worst of all have suspension that is way too soft for anything other than a level fireroad.

One bike to consider is the Yamaha XT series, the older models reliability is legendary and literally thousands of them have been driven around the world by adventurers and enthusiasts.

If it was me id get the V-strom or XT.
 
One bike to consider is the Yamaha XT series, the older models reliability is legendary and literally thousands of them have been driven around the world by adventurers and enthusiasts.

If it was me id get the V-strom or XT.

To add to kmm, I had an XT225 for quite a while. That was one of my favorite smaller dualsport bikes. They are absolutely bulletproof if you take care of them. I don't personally care for the newer selection of Yamaha XT's, but anything prior to 2008 will be an XT225. I had the 2006 model and used it as a daily driver and adventure bike. When using it as an adventure bike, I took it through everything that the notorious offroad park, Land Between the Lakes, had to offer as well as many other good trail parks. So, I know it's a capable offroad bike. Using it as a daily driver, I rode it every single day to work from Eads, TN to Olivebranch, MS. That was about 60 miles round trip every day. Tht will put some strain on a 225cc bike. That thing was a soldier. What was great about it was how light it was and the low seat height. It was short enough that you could flat foot on a steep hill which meant that you could take it more places where it was necessary to lever yourself over boulers and through mud. Great little bike. Check out www.xt225.com. You'll see some guys on there that do cross country and mountain trips on those things. Really shows you what that little bike can do.
 
Check out Ewan's show and youll see how often they struggle with the bikes size and weight when offroading in demanding conditions.
Exactly why I recommended the F800GS. In retrospect though, I think Dylside's suggestions have more merit.
 
IMO, a mountain bike is the perfect survival bike. Needs no gas, lightweight, quiet, easy to maintain, and keeps ya in good shape.

just my 2 cents.
 
If your gonna Bug Out in North America, BMW is the way to go, ya got a better chance of findin' dealers and parts.
 
Two words. BUY JAPANESE. They are the easiest bikes to work on on the planet and require no special tools. With a small bit of tool kit and a good Clymer's service manual, you can do everything you would need to in order to maintain the bike.

While I don't disagree with the general sentiment of your post I do take exception with this. I've been riding since the late 70s. Of all the bikes I've owned over the years, outside of the two strokes, the 2V Ducati is by far the easiest to work on IMO. It's also been the most reliable.
 
I ride a KTM 950A and a 1200GSA.

I love the GSA, but the 950A is by far easier to ride off-road. It's really an off-road bike on 'roids.

If I had to own just one it would be the 1200GSA--truly an awesome bike. But in a survival situation I'd pick my 950A. Or a Suzuki KLR.
 
where you going to go where you will have access to gasoline, parts, and dealer service with computer diagnostics? Not sure survival is a motorcycle strong point.

But it IS fun to speculate.

Think points, carburetor, and a stash of gas and oil, master links, tool kit repairs, tire repair and air compression.

I've been riding airheads for 35 years. I no longer think of survival.

That said, I'd consider the klr in 250 or 650. For your scenario, the 250 makes more sense.

(always wondered why the bad guys in Mad Max drove up and down the highways looking for "juice," and then continually circled the potential supply in a constant depletion of the very resource they were seeking.)
 
I must agree that a smaller bike is so much better off road. Have you tried to pick up a fully loaded bike with all your supplies tied to it in the dirt??? Dylside hit the nail on the head. I like his choices as they are small enough to get into tight places and big enough to go long distance. With some of the bikes you can get a larger gas tanks to get more range. If you need to get away from the city where you would need more road riding get your self an older street bike. Install some light off road tires and you would be surprised how far you can get. Wish i took a pic of two guys riding an early 80s plain road bikes in the malibu hills they went up some gnarly trails that you would think only dirt bike and horses should be doing. If you get an older bike where you dont care for the looks. Weld a few ammo boxes and you are done with some tough looking bike...

Sasha
 
While I don't disagree with the general sentiment of your post I do take exception with this. I've been riding since the late 70s. Of all the bikes I've owned over the years, outside of the two strokes, the 2V Ducati is by far the easiest to work on IMO. It's also been the most reliable.


Good call. The 2 valve per cylinder 1000cc motor is one of the best engines ever created in my opinion. My only gripe is that I've never seen it on a good "dirt application" motorcycle. For the record though, 2v Ducati motors are extremely well made and easy to work on. I've been riding a Ducati GT1000 on and off for the past two years. Absolutely wonderful bike. Great retro and comfortable styling with an incredible powerplant and chassis.
 
Hmm interesting points, i do not ride anything as big as you guys, i ride a 150 cc two stroke, and it runs on the smell of an oily rag, I go though maybe 4 litres a week of petrol and a bout 40 mils of oil...
Sure it is not the fastest or carry the most gear but it is small and reliable and manouvarable, has a kick start as well as an electric start.
I am sure it would get me out of the city if the SHTF after that I would dump it (hide it) and hike once clear of the main drag.

Dirt bike seems like a good option for getting further, but when the fuel runs dry what do you do?

Of course if i could have any bike, well the big beemer seems like a nice bike, you want to ride through Africa? check, you want to ride on tarmac Check, you want heated handle bars and gps check.

The other option is look at what guys ride on the dakar-those are your survival bikes.
 
I'm a big fan of the adventure touring bikes and am seriously thinking about pulling the trigger on one to complement my DS ed XR400.

But for a bug out bike, I think I would go with an air cooled (no radiators to worry about) Japanese dual sport in the 250 cc range (for fuel economy).

YMMV

Brandon
 
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