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Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame
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they did and still do but that doesn't answer my question.
from what i can see on IG they are actually producing more knives.maybe they are just rearranging them for each photo.
do you have any proof of somebody not getting their knife after completion of a model?
i'm not attacking you personally but you seem to be angry at them.maybe it's just a misinterpretation on my side because it's all in written form. i wouldn't call somebody bad names behind their back (i.e. a public forum) just because they (allegedly) scammed me.even if it was for a large amount of money.can't buy dignity.
again,not a personal attack,just trying to help and be objective until we get the whole picture.
edit:.if somebody burns you,don't let anger enter your heart,it doesn't help and just brings you down to their level.i know it sound cheesy but it's true
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Elgatodeacero
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GAGL
you are one in a long line of naive hopefuls..... just go back to page one of this thread and read it all (including the linked threads). You will see many innocent posters “trying to get the whole picture” and being “objective”, and then the light switch will go on and they achieve enlightenment.Survive Knives reputation and business practices resulted in their sub-forum being closed by the forum owner. This thread exists because of their shameless behavior.
Stop defending them and pretending they have not burned up 50 “last chances”. It’s absurd and pathetic to those of us that have watched this saga for years and years. The history of their conduct is preserved in black and white in this forum and while they can fool idiots on Instagram and Facebook they can’t fool members here.
Survive Knives reputation and business practices resulted in their sub-forum being closed by the forum owner. This thread exists because of their shameless behavior.
Stop defending them and pretending they have not burned up 50 “last chances”. It’s absurd and pathetic to those of us that have watched this saga for years and years. The history of their conduct is preserved in black and white in this forum and while they can fool idiots on Instagram and Facebook they can’t fool members here.
when did i defend them?
seems like you didn't read all my posts.not defending them at all,just giving them the benefit of the doubt since they told me they wil ship out my knife this week.
i've read all the S!K threads on BF,from start to finish
Just hearsay from several people, on several forums, and reddit. I'm not going to link to the people claiming they are still waiting (years later) for knives that have been previously produced, because I'm fairly positive mods have asked us not to link to drama on other forums/Reddit. If I am wrong, I'll be happy to post examples. It's pretty easy to find them with Google though.
I'm not angry at all, nor do I have any animosity towards you. Context can be hard to come by on forums. I struggle with it often actually. I'm just weary of seeing people make posts just like yours, and then get burned and come to the same conclusion that hundreds, if not thousands, have already come to. To be clear, I have no issue calling someone a piece of crap if their proven behavior has led me to believe they are a piece of crap. I would call the owner a piece of crap to his face, but he's banned from here... For being a piece of crap.
*edit because commas are hard.
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thanks for your reply!
do you mean people said that they paid for a knife and never got it,after S!K claimed they completed all the orders?
i just want to be sure i understand you correctly.sorry,my english is pretty poor.
could you send me a link to those threads,or maybe just type the search words you used,since i came up with nothing so far.
that would be more evidence to me than any thread full of assumptions.
example:
OP posted: "i ordered a knafe from S!K back in 2015,they claim they finished them and shipped all of them out.i never got a knafe from them.i think i got scammed"
edit: i actually believed they scammed me for the last 3.5 years (pun intended).and i'm still skeptical to this day that i will ever receive my 3.5.
edit edit: mods,please change my name to Naive Hopeful
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I've been able to find more than a couple examples of people still waiting for knives that had have multiple runs. I'm not sure if they are knives that Survive! has claimed were all completed and shipped because I no longer follow Survive! close enough to know which knives they have claimed have been completed and shipped.
Here's an easy one to find. Google "when the pre-order delivers four years later." It's a reddit thread. The tenth post down is a guy talking about his father who ordered an GSO 8 four or five years ago and is still waiting. The comment is seven months old.
I'm pretty sure Better Business Bureau links are fine here, so here is a link to their complaints from the past year.
And another easy search would be to search Google for "GSO4.7 purchase." There is a thread on an American (hint hint) Bushcraft forum with a two page thread with people still waiting for knives they paid for years ago.
Honestly though... With the years of FTC violations and the threads found here on BF, there's really no coming back from imo.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/survive-knives-forum-should-be-closed.1613828/
https://bladeforums.com/threads/survive-knives-forum-closed-what-changed.1602052/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/all-that-is-survive-knives-post-here-reopened.1129652/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/survive-deserves-a-permanent-post-in-the-hall-of-shame.1613748/
Insipid Moniker
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Randall Knives don't take payment in full. It does not vary from state to state, they are a scam and operate illegally. The fact that you continue to defend them, despite admitting that you're ignorant of the law, is pretty clear evidence that the scam is working.
It isn't strange at all. Also, I should mention that your attempt at obfuscation and "just trying to be objective" won't work here. You're dealing with a roomful of people who know exactly who S?K are, and that they are thieves. The fact of the matter is that they have stolen money from people in order to finance their personal lives. Also, "YOU" have yet to see people being scammed by them, because you're not really a contributing, present member here. 128 posts in five years? Hell, when your account was created, they actually had a subforum here, full of apologists (like you, incidentally) who responded to critics in the same way: "Hey man, just trying to be objective here..."
No, you're actually coming across as a shill, and attempting to defend the indefensible. We've seen this act for years here. If you want to be ACTUALLY objective, you'd do some research yourself on how badly these people operate. Also, you mention not seeing people who were scammed? Here's an idea, go back through this thread, and search out the others ones. People have been waiting for knives for years, years and STILL don't have their knives. All while that scumbag thief Guy and his idiot mouthpiece Ellie keep announcing new models, and taking preorders, and "We're really turning things around, guys! We have new processes, and machines, and this other stuff, please pay us in full upfront, thanks! We're really turning over a new leaf, thanks for your support!" It's a scam, and if you don't see that, then there isn't much objectivity on your end. Sorry, not sorry.
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You believe? Why do you believe that? Do you have proof? I'm just curious as to the source of your surety. I'm sure plenty of others would be glad to be sure of that too. Thanks!
P.S. Oh, and it shouldn't bear mentioning, but I'll do it anyway: Ellie's garbage newsletters don't count.
GAGL
Sorry to bother you, had another question, hopefully you can help because I don't know what to call it. Ok, let's say that....let's say I'm a knifemaker, and I accept preorders for...let's say, a thousand (1,000) knives. Ok? 1,000 knives, I just like round numbers, so we'll keep it simple. So, I accept 1,000 preorders for my new super duper wonder knife. Let's call it the HDP 4.7. Pretty cool right? Dude, it's so sweet, best knife on the market. It is, because I and my newsletters and rabid fans lured in by scarcity say so. Anyway, I ask for, and get paid $225,000 for these knives (again, upfront) that don't technically exist yet. Sweet! Now, I'm not known for timeliness, ok? People know it's going to take awhile. See, I outsource about 90% of my product to other companies. Blade blanks, handle scales, sheathes, all that. I am a sharpening savant, you know, so I don't have time for any of that other nonsense. So, it's going to take awhile. BUT, I've got that $225,000 in my pocket.
Now, suddenly...SUDDENLY, my customers notice that I've posted up sales links for...let's call them HDP 4.7 "seconds". These are knives which somehow are flawed in some way* and I've decided to offer them for sale at a discounted rate, so let's say...$200.00. I have thirty or forty of them, and again, ask for payment up front. Sweet, an additional several grand! Just for putting up words on my website! Oddly, this new sale isn't long after the sale for this model dropped.
So, let me ask you: what would you call selling "seconds" (which again means a product that's damaged cosmetically in some way, but that is still technically sound) of a product...THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET?
Asking for a friend.
* Which is what being a "second" almost universally means in the knife world.
Insipid Moniker
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You've repeatedly defended them against people accurately describing them as thieves and you stepped into the thread by defending them and saying that you had received the knives you ordered. Simply saying you aren't defending them doesn't change the fact that you have been.
I'm not trying to attack you, but I am accurately describing your posts. You seem to be realizing what most here figured out years ago, that Survive is, at absolute best, woefully incompetent and willing to lie to cover it up or, more likely, are simply acting in bad faith and making as much money as possible despite their egregious disregard for their customers.
thanks again for posting all those links!
i looked into it and the mentioned GSO 8 is still at surface grinding.did they do a previous run of 8s?
also nobody at the bushcraft forums mentions that they didn't receive their knife after building and shipping was complete.
all i see is people waiting for their knives of models that are still in production.
my point is that they are having huge delays and they probably lied about lead times but in the end they deliver.doesn't seem like a ponzi to me so far.
i asked several times for proof and nobody could show me an example.
again,not defending them.
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can you quote me where i said that?
edit: you cant just claim i defended them without proof.simply saying i defended them doesn't change the fact that i din't.
never said i received any knife from them.
can you quote me where i said that?
edit: you cant just claim i defended them without proof.simply saying i defended them doesn't change the fact that i din't.
Your posts here with their tone of "All of you, and years of direct observation must be wrong because I received a knife I ordered, and their newsletters and some Instagram posts said everything is going great" is probably why you're seen as a shill. Just being objective here.