Survive!Knives CPM-20CV vs Chris Reeve CPM-S35VN - Real world test.

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For all of you Survive!Knives fans AND all of you Chris Reeve fans, let me start by saying this. My review here is not an endorsement or criticism of either knife or maker. I own both the S!K GSO 3.5 (my all around knife and camp chore tool when in the woods, camp, or fishing) and the Chris Reeve Nyala (my dedicated hunting knife), among others by both makers. This thread is about my personal opinions of both knives

BOTH knives are well built and have a terrific fit and finish with an eye for details and use "super" steels. I have the utmost respect for both men and what they bring to the knife world with their talent and incredible blades.

The Survive GSO 3.5 at around $100.00 (factory second due only to light etching of the logos on the blade) is an incredible working tool as you will see here shortly.
The Chris Reeve Nyala, at $230.00, and to be honest (my opinion here), is simply beautiful along with also being a fantastic working tool.

Now onto the good stuff.

My wife shot a big boar hog around 200 lbs. Sunday night. Both knives were equally sharp when I started. Both would easily cut 20 lb. copy paper into slivers with no issues. Plenty sharp for my use in the woods and water with solid working edges.
The boar was covered in mud and our deer lease is highly concentrated with iron ore. Needless to say, his hide was thick, bristly, and loaded with iron ore mud and general dirt and small rocks. The shoulder plate and hide above the shoulders was almost 2" thick.

I skinned one side of the boar with the GSO 3.5 and the other with the Nyala. Almost immediately when cutting through the mud infested hide, I noticed that both knives lost the paper shaving edge almost immediately and seemed to have a tough time cutting through the tough hide. No doubt the mud (complete with small pebbles and assorted small stones and just 'dirt') acted as an abrasive on the fine edge.

I continued cutting the hide away from the body and noticed that on the exterior of the hide with the mud and dirt, the knives needed to be worked hard but in relieving the hide from the interior next to the body, they both performed extremely well. There were no noticeable hot spots on either knife (NOTE: my GSO 3.5 has my own custom scales on it) and honestly my hands were tired regardless when working that hide off of such a big tough old boar.

Both knives outperformed any previously owned big box store knives I've owned (there have been many before I learned about premium steels).

I skinned the entire hog down to the jowls with each knife on it's own side. I removed the head and began to quarter out the hog using the same side per knife method.
Both knives were never sharpened or touched up during the entire process. In the past with the big box brands, I'd have a knife AND sharpener on these hogs and deer and would need to stop multiple times and refresh the edge during skinning and field processing. No need with these premium steels.

Once I was down to just the quartering and butchering, both knives cut extremely well with minimal effort. In all honesty, the CPM-20CV seemed to have retained a little better edge at this point and easily sliced through meat and tendons, etc. with ease. The Nyala also worked well but there was slight noticeable difference in cutting. Also being honest here, my favorite steel for knives for this purpose is M390, which is why I ordered the GSO in 20CV (U.S. version of M390). Actually, S35VN is second on my list.
I wish I had a better camera to take some pics of the knives during and afterward but the lighting was bad and we were running out of battery power and needed to get the hog on ice and get home.

When finished, I have a 55 gallon drum with a gallon of bleach in it that we use to clean knives and hands and remove all the blood and stains from both. I thoroughly washed both knives in the bleach water, then dish soap and water, hand dried them, and put them away in their sheaths. Once home I washed them again in mild soapy water and applied a light coat of mineral oil to them.

At this point, both knives made short work of getting the boar butchered up and in the cooler. I was amazed but not surprised at how well each knife retained it's edge after the beating that each one took on the edge in cutting through the tough hide, dirt, mud, rocks, and bristly hair. The butchering portion rivaled my best kitchen knife at home. Even my wife commented on how well the knives were cutting through the meat after having witnessed the hard work in getting the hide off. I think the word "scalpel" was used. :D

Once home, I hit both edges with the Work sharp and only used the 6000 grit (and a worn belt to start with). 10 passes on each side. Then a plain leather strop (10 oz. Veg tanned) with no compound. 10 passes each side. Back to paper cutting sharp and no rolls or chips in either blade even after the hard workout.

So, both knives performed extremely well and you can't go wrong in choosing either one for hunting tasks. For the price, the GSO from Survive!Knives is a very nice blade, and incredible tool with a great fit and finish, and top notch materials. Well worth more than the retail price.
The Nyala from Chris Reeve works equally well with a slighter decrease in edge retention in the given example here but is arguably a more "refined" blade with the design and execution and the same quality of top notch materials. I'm extremely pleased with the performance of both.

As you can see, neither are any worse for wear other than some very small blood stains in the canvas micarta scales on the GSO 3.5. I imagine a good bleach water bath would remove them but there is no need. The stains are there because it's a tool and now part of my soul will be in that knife when it gets to one of my sons one day. But that is another story......

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Sweet! The 3.5 is an ideal sized knife for deer and smaller game. Its my primary game knife. Dont forget to put your hunting pics in the Trophy Room thread.
 
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That's great to hear they both performed well. Nice score for the wife! That's a great sized hog.
 
Your lease close to you? Nice kill. Can never get enough of them gone in my parts. Terrible nuisance for farm lands and rural life in general.
 
Your lease close to you? Nice kill. Can never get enough of them gone in my parts. Terrible nuisance for farm lands and rural life in general.

35 miles from my driveway to the gate. 26 years on the same lease. LOVE it. We lease the land year round too so we always have a place to go shoot, camp, hunt, ride atv's, etc.
 
Thanks for the write-up Ronnie, and congratulations to your wife. You were definitely using some fine steel. The way the lighting is hitting the Nyala in the picture it appears as if it is a clip-point, so for anyone unfamiliar with the Nyala, realize that it is actually a drop-point with a swedge, a very good field-dressing profile. My experience between the two steels (M390) vs S35VN is similar, although I never did a straight side-by-side like you did. Thanks for that :thumbup:
 
Thanks Hard Knocks. Good to see all the S!K regulars here commenting. Thanks to all of you. Silver, Texas, Standard, and of course you.

YES, it is a drop point with the swedge. That and the CRK rep for quality are why I chose it as my primary game blade. The GSO is basically my "do everything else" blade and it handles that task VERY well. I had both with me of course so it was the perfect time to put them head to head.

I'm working on a new thread with all of my edged tools and what they are used for and why (axes, hatchets, wood processing, shelter building, fire, food prep, etc.). It will be interesting to post pics of what I use and why, and then see what everyone else uses and why they chose what they did. I may be missing out somewhere and need another sharpened piece of steel. :D
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this up. We don't have any feral hogs here in PA. A few years back some colleagues of mine and I had a need to learn how to trap and sample feral hogs for an infectious disease study we were doing in Armenia. I had lived and worked in Beeville, TX in the late 1980s, and I had a friend there that is a veterinarian who has a small place near Goliad. For our purposes, we trapped, anesthetized, sampled and let the hogs go. My friend, who's land we trapped the hogs, had us put ear tags in the hogs before we released them. When I asked him why, he said that it would really piss off the neighbors.

Thanks again for the great comparison and write up. Clearly Chris and Guy have very different eyes when it comes to design, but as your comparison points out, they are both very capable tools.
 
Very cool. I'm not far from your area working an hour or so east of you. I'll be in Spring in a few weeks too. Love the land down here. Good luck with the deer. I'm in the same boat. Only scavengers on my end.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this up. We don't have any feral hogs here in PA. A few years back some colleagues of mine and I had a need to learn how to trap and sample feral hogs for an infectious disease study we were doing in Armenia. I had lived and worked in Beeville, TX in the late 1980s, and I had a friend there that is a veterinarian who has a small place near Goliad. For our purposes, we trapped, anesthetized, sampled and let the hogs go. My friend, who's land we trapped the hogs, had us put ear tags in the hogs before we released them. When I asked him why, he said that it would really piss off the neighbors.

Thanks again for the great comparison and write up. Clearly Chris and Guy have very different eyes when it comes to design, but as your comparison points out, they are both very capable tools.

Hey McVeyMac. Sorry, didn't mean to forget you Survivor #15. Hadn't seen you here in a while (Or I'm getting old and didn't remember - :rolleyes:).

Funny about the ear tags. I've heard that before with deer also. Hogs and deer would be tearing up someones gardens, fields, or flower beds and the resident wouldn't shoot them or feared shooting them because they were ear tagged. Then it turns out they were simply wild animals that were tagged for no real reason other than they were down at the time.

Obviously I agree with you on the design thoughts for Guy and Chris. We're lucky to have both of them and these blades are very high quality tools at incredible prices.
 
Congrats to your wife!!! I purchased a 3.5 with the main purpose of field cleaning and quartering whitetail deer. Only used it once but it's absolutely the perfect size for my hands and use. The scales, canvas micarta as well, did take on a slight red-ish tint.
 
Thanks for the review. The Survive! Knives look good, and 3V is good stuff. No experience with 20CV yet, but I'll generally take impact resistance over high corrosion resistance.

John
 
Great thread, great comparison and review. Very cool custom handles on your 3.5!

Thanks Silver. That burlap micarta is real grippy when wet with blood and assorted outdoor liquids when dealing with animals and fish. I love the gorgeous G10 that Guy puts on his blades and of course the f & f is terrific but for this knife (and most of mine) I wanted something unique to make it "mine".

The textured grooves on the CRK, while beautiful, are actually very functional as well. I can't bring myself to pimp this one out since it's so beautiful and functional at the same time. On a side note, those beads on the CRK lanyard are handmade by me from a piece of scale I had left over on a folder job. They are fossilized mammoth bones in an epoxy resin. I drilled them out, cut them off, and polished each one by hand for that lanyard.

On the grip, here's a detail I forgot. While skinning, I would periodically grab the hide, push the point of the knife through the hide from the inside (stabbing motion in forward and reverse grip) to make a small hole. That hole allows me to put a finger through the hide and pull down hard while separating hide from flesh while I'm skinning.

Both knives pierced the hide easily with a slight nod here to the Nyala which has a more pointed tip than the GSO.
 
Congrats to your wife!!! I purchased a 3.5 with the main purpose of field cleaning and quartering whitetail deer. Only used it once but it's absolutely the perfect size for my hands and use. The scales, canvas micarta as well, did take on a slight red-ish tint.

Thank you. The bleach water concoction we use works really well with taking out the blood. And the knives were cleaned within minutes of finishing up the hog. I've used my 3.5 before to skin out a bobcat when it had the original scales, then washed in the bleach water. Never really took the time to notice if the scales had taken on a tint or not. I did have a member here tell me that the CRK would take a tint with the blood but I didn't notice it and again, maybe the bleach water kept that from happening.
 
The nyala beads aren't in the pic, but they sound amazing. Mammoth bones?! How do you get something like that?

Do you advertise bead or handle work in addition to sheath services?
 
Thanks for the review. The Survive! Knives look good, and 3V is good stuff. No experience with 20CV yet, but I'll generally take impact resistance over high corrosion resistance.

John

You're welcome. I agree on the 3V. I'm a stainless fan simply out of necessity although I do love M390, 20CV, and 35VN. I live about 80 miles from the coast so our humidity here is relatively 80% on average year round. Stainless just works here for me in this climate. Carbon steel, while a better choice most of the time for hunting use blades, requires constant maintenance and a good film of oil or rust will happen quickly. I'd rather lose a little in toughness and edge holding and gain the corrosion resistance. The knives in this case are tools for me and while I don't mind maintaining them, I'd rather do as little as possible in the field and have more time for the outdoor pursuits. I have some other knives I use for other purposes and they are in 1095. I'll cover those more in detail when I post my thread on ALL of the blades I use and why.
 
The nyala beads aren't in the pic, but they sound amazing. Mammoth bones?! How do you get something like that?

Do you advertise bead or handle work in addition to sheath services?

Ha! I didn't notice they were just out of the frame of the pic.

I bought the blank scale slabs here from a local knife supply company that I get a lot of my supplies from. Texas Knifemaker Supply (shameless plug will probably get me in trouble). If you contact them, tell Jim (the owner) I sent you.
I'm lucky to have a local place about 10 miles from my house. They get custom scales in all the time and have exotic stuff too. I bought the crushed mammoth bone scale slabs from there and put them on a Lionsteel Opera. Since they were expensive ($55.00 for a pair of small scales) I didn't want to waste the trimmed pieces so I used one to make the beads. They're nothing fancy but they are unique. I also have some trimmings from a set that have walrus teeth in the resin that I used to make scales on a Maserin Dolphin knife. The resin was clear with the ivory colored tooth pieces in it so I added a blue liner and they came out fantastic.

I don't advertise the scale work since I'm not that good. I'm just an amateur and do all the scale work by hand here in my shop.

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