420j2 is mostly used on junk knives. I had a Colt dagger that I paid $40.00 for that was so dull I could press the edge on my arm and pull the blade without a scratch. Just about every 420j2 knife I've seen was just as bad or worse. Some I could bend with my hands. The Colt actually had ok construction and wold have been good for the money if it was in something like AUS8 or 440C. It was about as sharp as the back of a Victorinox blade. I've found Buck's 420HC to be ok, though. The fake striders sell for around $7.00 in one catalog I saw and I actually handled one. the handle is too wide for a cord wrapped handle to have a comfortable grip IMO even if it was not a POS knife. IMO it is better to go to companies like Buck, Ontario, Cold Steel, Camillus for inexpensive knives that would actually work than getting cheap knock offs.