T.V. Super Knives, Cutco, Chefmate, What's Good?

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I've decided to upgrade from my super cheap but very servicable set of Ginsu brand knives I think I paid like $10 for from eknifeworks.com. I'm not talking steak or butter knives here, I'm talkin' bout cutlery for food preparation.

I've always heard Henkels is the best, but is it really worth all that money?

I've seen a lot of Taiwan brands. The guy in the store told me the Chefmate brand and Schinken Messer were good brands. Any experience with these?

A shop nearby sells Cutco, anyone like this company's products? Also, I get a kick out of watching all those "super knives" they pitch on late night t.v. I'm always dubious about their claims, any first hand stories to tell?

Bruise
 
Bruise Lee :

I've always heard Henkels is the best, but is it really worth all that money?

The international line is fairly inexpensive and is decent. Most of the production stainless blades are of similar steel and of similar hardness with the exception of the Globals which are a few RC points harder.

You can get very high performance kitchen knives with very little money if you do some looking around. The quality control is off on come of the cheaper ones so you need to inspect them first hand and pick out the best one and in doing so you can get quite high performance :

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230399

Lee Valley also sells very nice Japanese style knives and Kyocera makes some high performance ceramic blades, see the reviews for more details.


Also, I get a kick out of watching all those "super knives" they pitch on late night t.v. I'm always dubious about their claims, any first hand stories to tell?

I have used a few, and no you can't do what they do and get the results you would expect.

-Cliff
 
Unless you are looking for wood handles I would suggest you look at Spyderco. They have excellent steel and design. For most work on a cutting board there Santoku would be a first bet. There small utility knife is the most used knife in our kitchen. I would mostly go for plain edge models as easier to sharpen and better for common cutting board tasks. (Be sure to have a soft plastic cutting board for easy cleanup and long blade life). Bladez had some great prices recently.

http://www.bladez.com/spydercokitchenknives.html
 
Cutco's are fantastic kitchen knives. I've used them for years.

Opinions vary. Do a search on Cutco and RW Clark for an enlightened view on Cutco. There are much better knives for a whole lot less money IMHO.

There are several custom knifemakers who can make a small set for the same amount of money as a Discount stores knifeblock set of good German knives.

Murray Carter makes a superb set if you are meticulous about knife care. George Tichbourne makes a good value priced German Style set. I received scans from JP Homes in a French Style that really caught my attention. Of course, there is always the Trace Rinaldi TTKK of near legendary fame that has served me well for almost 5 years now :) .

You might want to check out my thread from a previous post here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224272
 
I've been wondering about the knives shown recently with the handles that are raised up for hand clearence. Resonably priced so maybe after x-mas i'll order me a set
 
I don't know what anyone thinks of Consumer Reports as an evaluating entity on edged tools, but if you are interested, here is what they thought:

"If you're the type of cook who knows your julienne from your chiffonade, you might appreciate the superior precision, control, and comfort afforded by the expensive knives that did best in our tests. The Wusthof Trident Grand Prix knives, $300 for a set of eight, performed flawlessly. Not far behind were the Henckels Twin Select knives, with sleek stainless-steel handles and an even higher price: $500 for seven pieces.

"You can get fine quality for far less, however. The two CR Best Buys,
Farberware Pro Forged, $90 for nine pieces, and Chicago Cutlery Metropolitan, $60 for eight pieces, are very good choices. And, at $130 for seven pieces, the Oxo Good Grips MV55-PRO knives offer excellent performance and value.

"If you prefer no-maintenance knives, Cutco Classic ($80 for two pieces) was very good overall. Much more economical is the Farberware Classic set ($20 for 12 pieces) judged good.
You can buy knives one by one, but sets typically cost a good deal less than the same knives sold singly."

If you want more info on what tests they did and how all of them stacked up, the December issue of Consumer Reports has this article. It's on page 36.
 
I second Cliff's recommendation of the Henckels International line. Just make sure you get the forged ones, not tthe cheapo ten and a block for $40 deal. Kohl's, Macy's, and I'm sure other department stores have them as open stock items and are always running 40% off sales. The International forged line, which I think are now being made in Spain are about a third cheaper than their German made equivalents. Then if you hit a 40% off sale you can pick up a 8" chef's knife for a little over $30 bucks. I'd also reccomend the Kershaw Kai cutlery Japenese style kitchen knives with the handles made from powdered bamboo and resin. I've got three and they are a fantastic value in my opinion.

phantom4
 
I've had my Cologne 5.5" Utility(Asian Series) for just over a year, and have only sharpened it once. I steel after every use, and thats enough maintanance. I use it and a 4" fillet knife most often.

I picked it up for $15CAN, and got a sheath for it(was told to go to the back room, and find one that fit it, rather than stick it in a block where my folks might abuse it) for free... 6yrs of buying from one place has it's perks...

I've been using the Wusthof Trident knives at work(I'm the dishwasher in a 24/7 resturaunt, but I sharpen the knives and make my own food) lately, and even the 8" chef's has a nice balance to it, allowing great tip control.

Henckels are great for thier price, but Trident knifes are the best I've used so far.

Other than that, I just use my EDCs. The 4" Skinner I picked up in '97 still works well in the kitchen. lots of belly and curve.
 
This is a response to my post from Crayola. I found it very informative, so, with the author's permission, I'd like to share it with you. I hope his small "sales pitch" near the end is o.k., if not please feel free to edit, Mr. Moderator.


I just wanted to tell you a few more options for kitchen cutlery. I've been crazy busy these days, so i apologize if this e-mail sounds wacky!

I've been thinking about kitchen cutlery a lot, since I've made 5 kitchen knives now and I have another 5 on the go right now! I think that kitchen cutlery is awesome, 'cause you use it every day and really get to cut things. I carrya knife everyday in my pocket, but I don't get to use it a whole lot throughout the day. But kitchen knives you use a lot in a cooking session, so they are fun to use.

For commercial kitchen cutlery, I have used MAC brand as well as the 7" Cold Steel knife. The MAC brand are made in Japan and have thin AUS-9 blades. They are so easy to sharpen, because of the relatively simple steel and especially the thin blades. I have always found AUS-8 to take a super biting edge, and on the thin MAC knives they are awesome. The Cold Steel knife is really awesome. Super sharp, and because of the small teeth Cold Steel puts between the large serrations, this knife cuts real smooth. Lansky makes a
ceramic hone for sharpening Cold Steel's serrations and I think it costs about $7! I have only ran the back of the blade (the side the serrations aren't ground on) on a steel to realign the teeth myself. 3 years and it is still cutting away. The handle design I like alot. The textured rubber makes for a secure hold. The blade is thin too, so it make s a great veggie knife,and it will slice up a ham very well!

What I really wanted to suggest is that you shop around and pick out what calls to you. Start by figuring out what jobs you want your knives to do, and then get knives that will do those jobs. You could just get a set of henkels. But then again, maybe a cheap set of 3 paring knives from henkels, a cleaver and the Cold Steel knife will do the chores you want, and you have a unique set that appeals to you. I don't understand why henkels and other big brands have chef's knives with bolsters that run right down to the edge. After a few sharpenings the edge will recede above the level of the bolster,
and not sit flat on a cutting board at the heel! Every sharpening will just make the process worse. At least that is my theory. So that is why I designed a set of 3 knives, and tried to incorporate design features I liked. The chef's knife I've made (2 of them now) have 1" wide handles, 2" wide blade at the widest part and there is no thick bolster getting in the way! The whole edge will go on a cutting board, no problem. And sharpening is made easier. So I suggest you do the same. Like I said, start with a list of criteria, and look for pieces that speak to you, fit your criteria and fit your budget.

There are also a few ideas you can do in custom kitchen cutlery. Lots of the knife supply places have kitchen knife blanks, You could get a few and make your own knives! The blades come heat treated and polished and all, so you just have to fasten on a handle and shape it the way you want. That could be a lot of fun for you. Or, maybe you can get a couple of inexpensive henkels paring knives, and a custom chef's blade. Or whatever! Ask on Shop Talk or the Custom forum who makes kitchen cutlery. On Shop Talk, you can find newbies that may take on a custom order for a good price. Oh, lots of the factory knife guys are making kitchen knives tool. Cold Steel, Camillus,
Grohmann (makers of the D.H. Russell #1), Fallkniven, Spyderco, and lots others make kitchen knives. You could Get a Spyderco paring knife, A Fallkniven Santoku for veggies and slciing, and a Cold Steel 5" kitchen knife for tougher chores!

I do have a small sale spitch to make too. This is a picture of 2 of the 3 pieces I designed (the 3rd being the chef's knife.) My scanner made the blades look black, but they are a subdued satin) A 3" paring knife, and a 4.5"ish wharncliffe utility. Both edges drop below the handle/ricasso area for easy sharpening. The blades are thin: 1/16"! And the steel is 440-C. I've made 2 sets of these now and I have 2 more on the go. One set is spoken for, but I do have one set I'm hand sanding right now (320 grit satin) that is "available" so to speak. $90 US and $4 shipping would get you these 2, and you get to pick from handle material I have or can get from the House of Tools (where I get lots of my materials.) And I could probably get it to you
before Christmas.

However, PLEASE don't think of this post as a pitch. Sure, there is one in here, but I really just want to give you info to help you in your decision. I discovered a lot about kitchen knives while making the ones I have, so I am happy to share what I learned. Afterall, learning about knives was 1 of the 2 main reasons I started making knives a couple years ago for a hobby (the other reason is to fund knife purchases, but I've sold 3 knives so far, and all that $$ has always gone to christmas presents :) If you do want to go the custom route, there are lots of guys that can help you. I just wanted
to include the pic to add my name to the hat of custom guys out there, and to show you what fun custom kitchen cutlery can be like. I wholeheartedly recommend the MAC brand for factory stuff, and if I were buying stuff from factories, I would be tempted to get blades from Fallkniven, Cold Steel and mabe Spyderco. Oh yeah, Boker makes kitchen stuff, and Benchmade does now too! See, lots of choices. I'm learning a lot about Japanese kitchen knives, and I want to go that route soon. I'll be making myself a veggie knife that is chisel ground on the right side to see what those blades are like!

Good luck picking out kitchen knives. If you want to chat more about kitchen knives, please feel free to e-mail me! And if you want to chat about my knives, I'm more than happy too, but no pressure man. See ya on the forums!

Crayola
 
Good ol' Crayola, he's one of the guys on here that gets his posts read by me every time.

I envy your passion, Cray. You have alot of great ideas about cutting tools, and you enjoy each and every aspect of each and every kind. Lots of great info there.

I fully agree about piecing together a set that you will use, and enjoy using. So many sets out there to choose from, but in my experience, Average Joe Cookin' Guy probably would rarely use some of the pieces in any given set. I have a set now that used to sit in a block. That block was always taking up space on my counters that could be used better by something else. I ended up throwing the block away, along with a couple of the knives in the set that I just never used. I mean, that little narrow thing that was half filet knife and half steak knife. What's with that? Into the trash pail with you. The bread knife? Nah, All of the bread I buy comes sliced by the factory. Hasta to you too. The rest go in the silverware drawer where they ain't in the way 'til I need 'em. The "rest" consists of 3 knives, so the next set I get is gonna be 3 knives tops.

I'm glad you mentioned steel as well. I can't think of any reason to get a steel that is much better than AUS-6 or 440-A or even 420HC. I like the way these steels sharpen up very quickly. I used an ArcLite out camping last year. Just tossed it onto the table and used it for cutting up food. Veggies ain't gonna dull the knife any, neither is the kielbasa or the brick of Tillamook. Nice not to have to worry about the knife rusting up on me if I left it wet overnight. I like the "lower grade" stainless stuff for cooking chores.

Everyone is different, however. So I gotta dip back into Cray's words of wisdom:
What I really wanted to suggest is that you shop around and pick out what calls to you. Start by figuring out what jobs you want your knives to do, and then get knives that will do those jobs.
 
My kitchen knives are(the ones I use)

Henckles 5.5" Utility/Chef, Colonge series
Spyderco FRN Calypso jr VG-10 PE
Spyderco FRN Native 440V SE(great bread knife, I eat a lot of fresh buns)
Spyderco Military 440V CE
Muela 4" Skinner(nice thick blade, nice belly)

Cheapie 5" cleaver
Cheapie thin fillet/paring knife, maybe 1/4" belly 4" blade.

Find no point to having a pile of knives I don't use. My folks have about 25-30 in the kitchen, and use 4-5 of them(butcher, electric, bread[breadmachine loaves], paring PE, paring SE).
 
Aww... shucks :) You made me blush Vel! Thanks for the kind words. And thanks Bruise, it is very nice that you posted the info I e-mailed you.

Lots of these knife companies will put together an 8 or so piece set and say that they will cover all of YOUR cutting needs. HUH? Just like Velitrius said, if you buy your bread sliced, why do you need a bread knife? Well, maybe for banana bread and stuff liek that if you make it. But if you don't make breads, you don't need that knife!

When I designed a set for my sister and Brother in Law for their wedding, as mentioned above the set totaled 3 pieces. At first I thought that more knives would be needed for a "complete" set. But look: 1 3" paring blade, 1 4.5" utility slicer thingamajig (in knifenut wharncliffe pattern!) and 1 8" chef's knife. What else do ya need? My sister and brother in law non't need anything else. I know they got a boning knife for their wedding, but I don't remember my sister ever boning a chicken! Yet others do bone chickens and they need boning knives. And some do cut breads a lot, so they get the bread knives. Treat picking kitchen knives liek you are pickign a pocket knife for EDC and you'll be o.k.!

See ya in chat Vel.
 
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