Tang Construction

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In another thread, there is some discussion regarding tang construction, specifically in regard to the 124 Frontiersman. As a result of that discussion, and to further educate myself on this matter, I have done some reading at the library as well as to speak with a knife maker, well known to most Buckaroos. It appears obvious to me that most of the confusion is simply a result of misunderstanding in the definition of terms that are being used. Remember Bill Clinton’s infamous, “It depends upon what the definition of ‘is’ is.” Any science/discipline has a defined set of terms, presumably with common meanings, that allows it members to communicate with one another, and knife construction is no different. So, with that in mind, let me offer the following terminology that I have found to be common in the literature.

A tang is the back portion of the knife where it is connected to or extends into the handle. Various tang designs are usually described both (1) by their length, and also (2) by their appearance or the manner in which they are affixed to a blade.

As regards to length, a Full Tang describes a tang which extends the full length of the grip-portion of the handle, as opposed to a Partial Tang which does not. Partial Tang designs include Stub, Half, and Three-Quarter Tangs. A Full Tang knife generally allows for increased force leveraged through the handle against the resistance of material being cut by the blade, an advantage when used against harder materials or when the blade begins to dull. A Full Tang also increases the amount of stock metal in the handle which can be beneficial in altering the balance point since the blade of a knife is often quite heavy compared to the handle.

So IF we accept that premise based upon length, then we can look at the manner/appearance of the handle when it is affixed to the blade. There is a wide variety of ways to attach the handle for both Full and Partial Tang lengths.

In perhaps the most common design in Full Tang knives, the tang is cut in the shape of the handle itself, and the handle scales are then fastened to the tang by means of pins, screws, bolts, metal tubing, epoxy, etc. The tang is left exposed (i.e., visible, not hidden) along the belly, butt, and spine of the handle, extending both the full length and width of the handle. And here, I quote from one of my references, “It is a common misconception that this particular design defines a ‘full tang knife‘”, and I think that misconception is presumably the result of the entire (i.e., full) tang being visible on all sides. I think that few would argue that this is probably the strongest overall construction.

Other methods of handle attachment/construction almost always result in a reduction in the width and/or thickness of the tang, regardless as to whether the tang is full or partial length, so that the tang may be inserted into the handle material. As a result of that reduction, some would argue that such “Full Tang” knives are no longer in fact full. The reader can decide this point on his own.

Some, but certainly not all, of the more common methods of handle attachment in this case are Push Tangs in which the tang is inserted or pushed into a pre-made handle and then fastened in place in some manner; Encapsulated Tangs in which the handle material is molded around the tang itself; and Hidden Tangs in which the tang is fasted within the handle in such a way that neither the tang itself nor the mechanism by which it is fastened is visible on the surface of the handle; in order words, it is "hidden." The simplest way to accomplish this is with epoxy. Another common method is to cut threads into the end of the tang whereby a pommel nut screws into place, as was the case with some early Buck fixed blades.

It seems to me that the greatest confusion is between Full and Hidden Tangs. And I can certainly understand that confusion since a Hidden Tang has actually been reduced in either width, thickness, or both, and is no longer visible (i.e., full) on the exterior of the knife itself. But remember, by definition, Full Tang refers only to the length of the tang. Hidden Tangs, on the other hand, may be either full or partial, based upon their length, however, their tangs are no longer visible, thus giving rise to the term, “hidden.”

And one last point, an Extended Tang is one that extends beyond the grip of handle so that it may function in some additional capacity, as for example, as a hammer pommel.
 
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Tin, Good write up. I like the exposed tang and hidden tang definations. Thanks, for taking the time to educate some on this. DM
 
Good effort, although really nothing new here.

Other methods of handle attachment/construction almost always result in a reduction in the width and/or thickness of the tang, regardless as to whether the tang is full or partial length, so that the tang may be inserted into the handle material. As a result of that reduction, some would argue that such “Full Tang” knives are no longer in fact full. The reader can decide this point on his own.

This could benefit from a little clarification......it should be more clear about the importance of the LENGTH of the tang (that "full or partial" bit) rather than concentrating on "width and/or thickness."

Noting that the author said,
Hidden Tangs, on the other hand, may be either full or partial, based upon their length...

When the length of STEEL is reduced by the need to "pin" on an aluminum pommel, the tang becomes partial rather than full (which is what appears happened on the early "pinned" version of the Nemo). In other words, part of the handle length becomes other than steel tang.

The hidden tang Nemo was the knife in question on the other thread and the statement seems to apply to the early Nemo.

Hidden Tangs, on the other hand, may be either full or partial, based upon their length...

Now, if the tang of a Nemo is not, indeed, shorter than the tang of its brother (or maybe son) the 124--the Nemo could be argued to be full-tang. But I do think it reasonable to believe that some of the handle length of the Nemo is taken up by aluminum pommel rather than steel. So, is that "FULL?" I don't think so.

Of course, if the early pinned Nemo handle has the same length of steel tang as the 124, one would have to fall back on the fact that the Nemo tang is more slender, thus weaker, and that starts to get kind of picky.

All you'd have to do is measure them. I don't have any to measure, so I don't know. Somebody else will come along with a measurement, I imagine.

:)

Bottom line is this. Since there must be provision for ATTACHING a pommel by placing a pin or pins through the pommel from the side, part of the handle length is going to be aluminum pommel rather than actual steel tang.

That appears to be the case with the early version Nemo--reduced in length from the 124 tang (which, as we all know, goes ALL the way out to the end).

But, the author leaves us with a convenient caveat--"As a result of that reduction, some would argue that such “Full Tang” knives are no longer in fact full. The reader can decide this point on his own."

It is as I said on the other thread, people can CALL them whatever they wish, but it is what it is and nothing can change that.
 
Good write up Tin Sue, glad you started the thread
From your description,
Partial Tang designs include Stub, Half, and Three-Quarter Tangs.
; I'll only add that these can either be hidden or exposed, and rely heavily on the structural strength of the handle material during periods of hard usage. The partial tang or hidden tang in no way constitute an inferior design in a knife.

Plenty of Mastersmiths and world renowned custom knifemakers use hidden tang designs in their knives. No knifemaker would place a customers safety at risk, with a perceived structural flaw, let alone the makers' own reputation.

Somewhere in time, I had a conversation about the Nemo, and the ill-effects of the saltwater. As I recall, the saltwater penetrated the phenolic handle at 1 or both ends. The resulting rust compromised the hidden tang, and there were handle failures. This was not an inferior design, only a poor choice of design, and steel, for a saltwater application.

This is an old photo of a Buck 119, full tang, hidden.....very similiar to the early Nemo & Frontiersman with phenolic handles:
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Great writeup, Tin Sue. As a collector of Western knives, you left out their "split" tang construction. It looks like a "full" tang but is not. Again, very nice writeup.
 
Do you have a diagram of the split tang construction, Ed?

Was it solid steel all the way around except with an open middle?

We really need a little more info......like, what motivated the use of that particular tang style?
 
Thank You edbeau :thumbup:
A most fascinating link that I will enjoy studying for a bit :)
 
I hardly saw anything about my much loved favorites in the 530 series of folders.

The ones with animals on the blades.

:)

As far as that split tang goes.......looks like it would eliminate drilling a couple of holes in the steel while still keeping better strength than the hidden and much narrower rat-tail tang.
 
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