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The 1a Set is Safe and Sound

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by UNRL Ghandi, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. UNRL Ghandi

    UNRL Ghandi Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 24, 2013
    I'll post something a lot more robust tomorrow when I get a chance. In the meantime, just wanted everyone to know that 1a is safe and sound and quickly making friends.

    Until tomorrow...pics, because it happened!

    UNRL Ghandi

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    I solicited Garth for some info on this set and he graciously provided the following response. I thought it would be good for everyone to hear from the maker himself.

    Sharpening was done free hand so can't really give you an exact angle. Generally on a thin fine ground hollow like these have I go with a 20-22 degree edge. You want to leave a little meat in the edge as the geometry takes a nose dive right behind the edge and actually thins out a bit. These were ground to very close to a zero edge to begin with so a slightly shallower angle is what you want.

    As far as time on this build it surpassed tracking hours a long time ago. This was measured more in bottle consumption. This set was roughly 3 months and somewhere around 5 bottle of Cabo Wabo, 2-3 shots at a time. Many times I would work for a few hours and then have to walk away, other times I would spend all day and not realize it. Somedays I would sit down to start working on one of them and realize that it just wasn't the right time so I wouldn't even start.

    These are, to date, the most difficult blades I have finished. Some other stuff in the works that may actually be the death of me, but as far as finished these are at the top. At a certain point I feel like I need to push my limits to improve.

    Garth, masterful work!
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  2. UNRL Ghandi

    UNRL Ghandi Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 24, 2013
    Reserved for tomorrow.

    Okay, it's tomorrow so here's some more info on these beauties. As everyone knows these were part of the Ham Hockoganzaaa. For historical reference here's the link to that thread:

    Specs are the same as the normal FMV8 and FMV14:
    Force Multiplier V8 Specs:
    Overall Length: 13"
    Blade Width: Approx. 1.35"
    Blade Thickness: Approx. .250"
    Steel: INFI
    Hardness: 58-60 Rc

    The Force Mama V14 Specs:

    Blade Length: Approx. 14 1/8"
    Overall Length: Approx. 20 1/2"
    Blade Width: Approx. 1 3/4"
    Blade Thickness: Approx .250"
    Steel: INFI
    Hardness: 58-60 Rc

    Biggest glaring difference in the 1a Set aside from the obvious grind difference is that they are significantly lighter due to being hollow ground. They are made of the same stock as the V8 and V14 but here's how they compared on my kitchen scale:

    FMV8 = 15.5 oz; FMV14 = 1 lb 15.9 oz
    1a V8 = 12.3 oz; 1a V14 = 1 lb 8.7 oz

    These are over 20% weight reductions. You can feel the difference in the V8 but you can FEEL the difference in the V14. It feels like a completely different blade. I measured the balance points from the talon holes toward the tip of the blade and the balance points for each were:

    FMV14 = 2.71"
    1a V14 = 1.28"

    The weight reduction in the 1a V14 moves the balance a full 1.5" closer to the handle which makes it feel SOOOO much lighter and faster in hand. It's quite amazing actually.

    Check out those shiny blades! Mmm...
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    I really lucked into these. I live in a rural area of Western MD and have to use satellite internet so I'm not normally able to be first on the draw, but last week I had a huge project at work that required me to live at the office three hours away for three days where we have super fast internet. The first day happened to be Wednesday and I had almost forgotten about this ganza because I was so preoccupied with work. Thankfully I had entered a calendar reminder as soon as Bossman posted the ganza thread. I called the calendar event "Busse Sale" and scheduled it for 8:30pm. And at 8:30pm the reminder popped up. I dropped everything I was doing, drafted my email to Amy and Garth, set two follow-up alarms on my phone, then waited. And waited. Annnnnddd waited. Waiting a half hour to send an email at exactly the right second is stressful, especially when the clock says 8:59:25...26...27...then 48...49...50...51...(heart rate is up at this point, breathing is fast and shallow, eyes focused trying not to blink)...52...53...54...55...56...(hands are shaking in anticipation now, hovering over the mouse - double check the pointer is over the "send" button, okay we're good)...57...58...59...(all muscles are contracted, I'm leaning into the computer face 3 inches from the screen staring at the clock)...THEN...9:00:00! BAM! Click click click click! SEND!!!!!!!! Oh good it did. Heavy sigh of relief. Check the sent folder to make sure everything went through and the time stamp wasn't too early or a tenth of a second too late. Comcast you better not fail me!

    Thursday morning comes and goes. I'm working like a crazy so I didn't have time to stew over it but it was a noticeable silence. They have a lot of emails to work through I told myself, thinking I could be reassured that I hand't missed out on this one. It didn't work. I ate lunch and still no email or call. Went to a meeting. Didn't get back until around 2pm and I checked my email. At 12:40pm I had received an email from Amy. Subject: HAM HOCKoganzaaa. Dear Lord it feels like it's 8:59:56 again. But I didn't hesitate too long to open it. The message received?


    Happy HAM HOCKoganza!!!!!!

    You scored 1 A!!!

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooo Hoooooooo. I started kissing and hugging co-workers and they are dudes. I didn't care.

    Of course then reality set in that I didn't actually WIN these, I won the opportunity to buy them. Uh, how much do I owe you again. **GULP** Let's use a different credit card for that...

    Amy warned me that it would take some time to get these boxed up and shipped because they had to wipe all the drool off them before shipping. So I impatiently waited all weekend and received my shipping notice Monday. One week from the ganza they would be at my door. Sweet! So you better believe I was waiting for that big brown truck. I heard him backing down my gravel driveway and I was standing at the back of the truck before he had it in park.

    Each stage of the unboxing was like 8:59:xx. The anticipation kept growing as each piece of shipping material was removed. Then, there they were. So beautiful.

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    Super happy to have gotten these. Apologies to all who tried and didn't. We've all been there. I was super disappointed when I missed the CS Gladius that went at a ganza but thankfully a year or so later it hit the exchange and I snagged it. Now I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen here because these babies are on my Grave Knives list. :)

    I do sincerely hope there is a release of these one day so more people can have them even in the standard micarta/g10 handles. FMV8 and 14 LE would be a huge hit if you liked the original offerings because the hollow grind on these are hands down more superior in feel.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2019
  3. WatermanChris

    WatermanChris Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Aug 30, 2018
    Yeah. I knew it was you that snagged those. There wasn't a snowball's chance in hell of anybody else grabbing them. I'm sure that email got sent right at 9:00 sharp.

    Congrats brother! :thumbsup::thumbsup::cool::cool:
  4. Private Klink

    Private Klink Gold Member Gold Member

    May 30, 2017
    Awesome collection.....congrats!:thumbsup::D:thumbsup:
  5. Apocryphiliac

    Apocryphiliac Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 18, 2017
    Great to see! Congrats!!!
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  6. WatermanChris

    WatermanChris Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Aug 30, 2018
  7. UNRL Ghandi

    UNRL Ghandi Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 24, 2013
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  8. Apocryphiliac

    Apocryphiliac Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 18, 2017
  9. dobermaniac

    dobermaniac Gold Member Gold Member

    May 13, 2013
    I'm definitely jealous. Seriously awesome :thumbsup::thumbsup:
  10. PABladeGuy

    PABladeGuy Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 11, 2018
    So glad the set found a good home.
  11. Thesian

    Thesian Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Yay! Grats bro.
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  12. sixplymaple

    sixplymaple Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 3, 2018
    Such relief haha.

    they look even better in the sunlight like that!
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  13. Briandt3

    Briandt3 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 29, 2018
    Safe, sound and in great company !

    Enjoy all those grail pieces you own !!

    Congratulations :)
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  14. Leonardo63

    Leonardo63 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 24, 2017
    Awesome! not a soul on the planet that wouldn't want to be the lucky holder but couldn't have ended in a better home. grats UG!
  15. Munroc


    Sep 20, 2017
    Did they get sharpened?
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  16. cpirtle

    cpirtle Leathercrafter Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 28, 2001
    Amazing score! love seeing they went to one of the good guys :thumbsup:

    Don't sell yourself short, I am sure your left nut was spectacular and at least of average weight :p:D:p

  17. Jerry Busse

    Jerry Busse Moderator Moderator

    Aug 20, 1999
    Congrats my friend! :thumbsup: :cool::cool::cool: :D

    Lots of broken hearts on that pair! :eek:

    You are now hated and revered by many a HOG!!! :D :thumbsup: :cool:

    NO REGRETS!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::thumbsup:

    Let's Drink!!! :thumbsup:

    Jerry :D:D:D:D:D

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  18. duramax

    duramax KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 29, 2012
    Congrats ! on a great score and great collection !!!!!!
    Thanks for sharing the pics :)
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  19. Busto

    Busto KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jul 26, 2011
    Congrats on scoring such a Beautiful Set of Blades:cool::cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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  20. gruntmedik

    gruntmedik Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 12, 2009
    That is an envious collection, for certain!
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