The ASP baton! 3" 5" or 7" knives.

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Chariot

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OK I've been considering buying a ASP baton for the following reasons:

1 - the new lightweight material should make it pretty easy to carry.

2 - 21" is some incredible reach, in my mind I would imagine using one to disarm an attacker hitting him over the arm/hand in order to make him drop his weapon. Wether this is in reality is likely I'm not so sure of anymore :-(

3 - IF I end up in court, a baton seems not as bad as beating someone with a knife.

4 - A baton should be hard enough to beat someone with over the head, but not necessary injure for life, but using a knife there's a risk for deadlier force...

But now I've read more posts about this and I'm not so sure anymore.

Some people with real life experience says the baton was pretty much useless.

Another post said it would only work 40% of the time.

Anyone else having opinions/experience on this?

I can see the baton being pretty easy to disarm, then moving on close.

If i wear swinging with a knife, it would be more difficult for the attacker to disarm and move in close.

What I plan to wear is a small knife (last resort knife) and then something else (guns is not an option)

So what I'm considering is pretty much:

ASP baton
7" or bigger
5" fixed (not sure why this would be good, but someone wanted to know about 5" fixed i guess there's a reason for it) easier to carry or other.
3-4" folded (easy to carry etc)

I'm very fond of the way the Pocket Hobbit looks, but I think it will be too big for me to wear in my pockets (I can hardly wear my keys without feeling uncomfortable.

Please leave out the legal aspect and proper training views on this thread.


 
DO not strike the head unless you can justify the use of that force. YOU CAN KILL OR DO SERIOUS LONG TERM DAMAGE, BY A HEAD STRIKE WITH THE METAL PIPE.

YOU CAN STRIKE THE HANDS, COLLAR BONE, SIDES. THESE WILL ALL PLACE PAIN ON THE ATTACKER AND BREAK BONES. BUT PLEASE REALIZE A HEAD STRIKE WITH AN ASP CAN KILL.

[This message has been edited by Frank Castle (edited 07-14-2000).]
 
"please leave out the legal advice"-
now how can we do that based on your statement number 3...believe it or not in many states the ASP baton is viewed as seriously as carrying a gun or billy or truncheon. So you may want to check your local and state laws. in fact, ASP has been known to legally testify AGAINST someone who has used a baton in self-defense, stating that the person hadn't been trained and wasn't qualified to use it in the first place (now that will definitely affect a jury). unless you're LEO, in which case i'd imagine even off-duty you'd be okay with it. okay, that being said- i have used the 7" heavy model against a drunk's leg- only because he kept coming and i was with my then pregnant wife (so i could run away, but she would have had to kinda waddle!).
also, he made it easier cause he was very shaky and just kept stumbling towards us- eventually i could see we'd run out of room and be up on a porch. so, i did the whack thing. even drunk, he went down on one knee- i could have done some serious damage right then cause he was very exposed. but he got up, turned around and hobbled back into the bar. we hightailed it (which is definitely what i'd recommend since you know, the laws and all...).
Now i carry the airweight 6" model- it's lightweight and it has a very strong keychain-swivel (like on a rifle butt) drilled into the end cap for keys. stick it in my back pocket when walking- just looks like a kubotan keychain. you'd really have to know to figure out what it is. Still, i'd rather carry a nice 26" Kamagong stick.

[This message has been edited by KELT34 (edited 07-14-2000).]
 
what i mean is i've discussed the legal aspect many times before... so i'd like us to focus on the other questions... making up your mind about a self-defense weapon is something i believe a lot of people should be interested in.
 
What ever happened to good old fisticuffs?

Brandon

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I've got the schizophrenic blues
No I don't
Yes I do...
 
ElvisLives: I hear you with the good old dukes.

I was reading through ROS on KFC and Keating was talking about the Imada baton being far superior to the ASP, which seems to have a habit of bending and failing. Does anyone know anything about this Imada thing?

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"I am not, really."
 
Fistfight, and the other guy turn out to be a 4th dan blackbelt karate expert. I receive more kick or punch from the other guy and then miraculously recover to beat him to pulp.

It doesn't work that way, only in the movies and WWF. In a street fight there's no matching system wherein a big bad guy shouldn't pick on a smaller good guy. I think this is one purpose of a self-defense weapon, equalizer (at least).

2d_edge
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Fisticuffs are for settling a disagreement between two gentlemen. Gentlemen don't attack people on the street, dirt-bags attack people on the street, and frequently 2 or 3 to one.

A single baton is really pretty easy to deal with, particularly the lightweight collapsable ones, just close and grab it. If you had a 4" knife in the other hand to deter such tactics, you have a better defensive combination, say an ASP and a Benchmade 710.

Or better yet, carry a knife because they are prettier and more useful than a baton, and stay away from trouble, or from places where trouble most frequently happens. Take some classes or seminars in how not to get stabbed or cut. In California, a pocket knife is legal to carry, and a baton is not.
 
Baton shmaton. This is BladeForums! If you want to use a baton, go to StickForums or MaceForums.
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Seriously though, it's true that people frequently underestimate the effectiveness of a baton, but they underestimate the effectiveness of a knife even more.

If we lived a few centuries ago, I'd recommend the baton. However, since you don't have to bash your way through plate mail, you might want to consider a knife. Edged weapons work really well against people that don't wear armor.

Yeah, yeah... batons are good weapons. They are also illegal, difficult to carry, and not very good at opening a bag of potato chips.

[This message has been edited by cerulean (edited 07-15-2000).]
 
I pack pepper spray, 4" folder, and asp. I wish I had a license to carry a gun. I heard the most effective pepper is made by a company called Fox. The large sifu looks like a good size to carry. The steel asp is too heavy. I am considering an airweight. How effective are the airweights? Do they bend or break?
 
"Leave out the legal advice"?

Like others have said, you most definitely must think of the legal consequences. It appears from what you wrote that the first thing that you would attempt to due is a strike to the head. Can you say "ASSUALT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON? This is the first of many charges you will face if you strike someone with an (most likely) illegal to carry ASP or other baton. There are several points on the body that are very likely to cause serious injury or death, the head is at the top of the list.

I think it is time for you to rethink what you are rying to accomplish. Defend yourself or kill someone?

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C.O.'s-"It takes balls to work behind the walls "
 
I carry a 26" asp t-26 that I wrapped with leather(don't like that cold metal)and I drilled a hole in the back end for a lanyard. PLEASE! don't go for the head unless your life is in danger. the T-26 comes out with a noise that makes people pay attention and that steel ball on the end really packs some force when applied to a wrist,elbow,or collor bone, or a knee cap or shins. If hit the BG's knife with it I will bet that it does not stay in his hand.Once again, it you hit someone in the head it could pop it like a watermellon and chances are you will kill him.
Originally posted by Chariot:
OK I've been considering buying a ASP baton for the following reasons:

1 - the new lightweight material should make it pretty easy to carry.

2 - 21" is some incredible reach, in my mind I would imagine using one to disarm an attacker hitting him over the arm/hand in order to make him drop his weapon. Wether this is in reality is likely I'm not so sure of anymore :-(

3 - IF I end up in court, a baton seems not as bad as beating someone with a knife.

4 - A baton should be hard enough to beat someone with over the head, but not necessary injure for life, but using a knife there's a risk for deadlier force...

But now I've read more posts about this and I'm not so sure anymore.

Some people with real life experience says the baton was pretty much useless.

Another post said it would only work 40% of the time.

Anyone else having opinions/experience on this?

I can see the baton being pretty easy to disarm, then moving on close.

If i wear swinging with a knife, it would be more difficult for the attacker to disarm and move in close.

What I plan to wear is a small knife (last resort knife) and then something else (guns is not an option)

So what I'm considering is pretty much:

ASP baton
7" or bigger
5" fixed (not sure why this would be good, but someone wanted to know about 5" fixed i guess there's a reason for it) easier to carry or other.
3-4" folded (easy to carry etc)

I'm very fond of the way the Pocket Hobbit looks, but I think it will be too big for me to wear in my pockets (I can hardly wear my keys without feeling uncomfortable.

Please leave out the legal aspect and proper training views on this thread.
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Ron
 
I sure am surprised at you guys!
Not [bONE[/b] of you metioned the truly devestating consequences of using an ASP!!!
Haan't ANYone ever heard the sounds that Nancy Kerrigan made after she was whacked in the leg by one?????
WHYYYYYYYYY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
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I haven't heard her in years, but that VOICE has stayed with me.

WHYYYYYYYYY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
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(That was so I could share my pain)

I wouldn't use an ASP just because I don't wanna hear that whining!!!!
Then again, if you connect with the throat?

Happily Hopping Off Into The Sunrise,
I remain,
VG

[This message has been edited by Vampire Gerbil (edited 07-15-2000).]
 
Who has the lowest price on an airweight 16" asp? Please post some urls of reputable retailers.
 
ASP T-26 with a solid metal handle? Is that an early model? ASPs come wih foam or rubber grips now.


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K. Williams
Modern Arnis Student
AKTI Member #A000978
 
If you hit someone in the head with an asp YOU WILL PROBABLY KILL THE PERSON!! The power behind the asp lies in the tip. The power is concentrated in the small portion at the end. The impact will be comparable to a gunshot. An asp can be a deadly tool if used improperly. If you must carry, and ever have to use this weapon, do not ever strike in the head UNLESS deadly force is warranted and absolutely neccesary. You may want to consider other alternatives for self-defense, such as OC spray, etc.

Just some friendly advice from somebody who is trained and certified in the use of this weapon.

Regards,
Joe

[This message has been edited by Joe Cop (edited 07-18-2000).]
 
Are batons illegal to carry in all states?
This is a strange country where you can carry a baseball-bat or 9-iron golf club but not a baton.
 
The search function is incredibly useful in threads like this, that have come up a few times (but in Practical Tactical or CommonSense Self Defense).

ASP runs a training program, and it has been mentioned before that they will testify against a non-certified person in court.

The major reason why batons are illegal in many, many areas is because they're purpose-built weapons for ag-assault that retract for concealment. Baseball bats, golf clubs, and pool cues all have a primary purpose in a sport/game setting, plus they're much longer than a collapsed baton. Yes, they could be used as weapons, and there are posts that note this. However, the carry and use of a baton means that someone's going to be ****ed up.
 
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