The Axe/Hatchet as a Bush Tool

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Hello All,

I am writing this persuasive argument to Jeff and Mike, and I'm hoping to gain support from the rest of the ESEE community as well.

In the words of Mors Kochanski, "The axe is the most important of the basic bush tools. Outside of fire, little else can contribute more the living comfortably in the wilderness than knowing how to properly use a well chosen axe."

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There are many reasons why this statement may mean more to some than it does to others. Lets consider some of the possibilities.

First of all- environment.

The environment you live in will greatly influence the tools you use. If you find yourself consistently above the tree line in mountainous regions, a simple knife might do the trick for you. If you find yourself in the rainforest, your tool of choice will most likely be a machete to deal with the intense undergrowth of the the forest. If you are in a temperate climate or even a colder climate, an axe or hatchet might be your go to blade.

I don't personally know Jeff and Mike, so my next few words are simply an assumption. We all know that Jeff and Mike offer survival instruction specializing in jungle environments. I can only assume that this influences their designs greatly. Therefore, to continue creating the best products out there for all of us bush and knife freaks, they need to rely on us to communicate to them what OUR needs our in OUR environments.

Jungle environments are home to roughly 50,000,000 people. The current estimate for the number of people in the World is 6,895,592,579. This means that less than .007% of all people live in jungle environments. I could not find the exact statistics for the temperate regions, but a much greater portion of the world population lives in regions like these.

This would mean that for a majority of the worlds' nature enthusiasts, bushcrafters, woodsman, and other types of outdoorsman, an axe or a hatchet might be the most useful tool available.

Another factor that plays a part is the skill of the user. A large knife, like the Junglas, is much simpler to use when used in a fuel gathering application. The large blade surface makes it easy to swing and hit. More energy is expended, however, because the design is not optimal for taking advantage of the physics of the a chopping motion. An axe has a smaller surface because of it's more concentrated weight in the head of the axe. This means that a properly wielded axe will use less energy from the user, because the weight and inertia of the axe head alone is all that is needed to cut appropriately sized timber. A skilled axe user relies more on a good rhythm than on brute strength.

Two of the biggest concerns for an outdoorsman in a temperate climate are going to be fire and shelter. Both of these concerns are best accomplished with a good axe or hatchet. I love my ESEE's. I love the company and it's philosophy. I want to spend more money with ESEE. I feel like there is a very big opportunity for Jeff and Mike to not only design and produce the best wilderness tool out there, but to market it's usefulness and demonstrate how to properly use an axe or hatchet. A lot of us that aren't in Jungle environments are at odds about who makes the best hatchet or axe at the right price point. There is not clear cut winner. ESEE could help decide this for us.

An ESEE made axe or hatchet made with the same attention to detail, quality, and philosophy as the rest of the ESEE lineup would be hard to compete with for anyone out there, and it would find it's way into the hands of thousands of people in temperate climates (and others) everywhere. That, coupled with Jeff and Mike's ability to spread knowledge on how to properly use this misunderstood wilderness tool would make for a very successful addition to the ESEE line I'm sure.

JGON

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I wished I could support you bro I really do, but I must step aside while others rise to the occasion.. an axe has its purpose and some love it, but to me it has 'work' written all over it..

give me a machete any day of the week.. and I'm good to go..
 
A well made and properly sharpened axe wielded with proper technique is an astounding wood processing tool.

My personal opinion is that I don't think an axe is a terribly important product for ESEE to produce. There are plenty of very good axes out there (albeit mostly European made). If you're willing to do a little work you can find yourself a good old USA made axe and fix it up to something that will compete with about any axe you could find.

ESEE's focus seems to me to be on jungles and other more tropical environments. If they were to get an axe produced I trust them to do plenty of good homework and put out a fine tool. It's up to them if they want to make an axe or not.

I'm perfectly happy with my Wetterlings and Iltis axes as far as performance goes, and they're going to serve me well for many years.
 
I'm kinda mixed on it too. Usually when I go camping I take an axe, a machete and a khukuri. Some tools perform better for certain tasks than others and if I have those 3 I feel like i have my bases covered.
 
I have great love for axes... Very useful tools, but one of the keys for axes is location. There are some who argue that a machete is still better in northern environments, but I'm not one of them. Around here, especially in winter, I'll take a small axe over a machete any day.

Any place here you would need to use a machete to get through here is usually quite easily just walked around instead.
 
The thing about it is that an axe or hatchet is not a tool that somebody can just pick up and use effectively without first acquiring some skill with it. This is why I believe that many people prefer other tools, because the larger knives/machetes/kuhkri's feel more second nature from the start. Once you acquire the skills with a hatchet or an axe, no other tool compares in my mind when it comes to overall utility with processing wood. In my environment and with my skill with an axe, it is an easy choice.
 
The famous machete vs chopper vs axe debate goes back even further than Glock vs 1911 :D.

I'm along the lines of Rocket. There are good axe makers out there and an axe is really a product line in its own. Look at all the variations Wetterlings produces because there are lots of sizes for different applications.
 
Personally, for the record, I would rock an ESEE hatchet. I love axes/hatchets, and own more than I care to admit, but an ESEE would be the topper.
I never go camping without one, and use it every time. I have to admit though, it is a tool that for me is occasion specific to camping. I couldn't see carrying one while backpacking. For that I carry a couple knives, and even that is sometimes a trade off between comfort vs necessity.


SJ
 
The production process is completely different for knives and axe heads.

As it is for folders and for fixed blades... :D

The lack of enthusiasm for an ESEE axe surprises me! Damn that thing would be sweet... Maybe I can just put in a custom order if nobody else wants one... ;)

JGON
 
311 million people on earth?
I think you mean 311 million in the US, and of those 311 million far less than 11 million live in jungles.
 
Agreed, an axe is the single most useful tool a man can have everywhere except where there are no trees or where there is thick jungle undergrowth. Even in most rain forests an axe is the better tool as the thick upper canopies preclude much growth on the forest floor.
 
i think that in all reality it is more the individuals choice than anything else that decides what tool they should use. one thing that should be noted though is that it is easier to split wood with a large knife than with a hatchet( short hatchet, not an axe). i also believe a knfe to be more versatile than an axe, better for carving out traps, making fuzzsticks, etc. but then again you could pair an axe with a folder or small fixed, and that would be more versatile than a plain knife. the debate goes on forever really...
 
311 million people on earth?
I think you mean 311 million in the US, and of those 311 million far less than 11 million live in jungles.

Thank you for catching that mistake in my stats.

Almost 7 billion people on the planet, and roughly 50,000,000 live in jungles.

Stats, schmats. The argument is still the same. A lot of people out there live in regions where an axe would and could be a valuable tool if wielded by a skilled user.

JGON
 
I love ESEE, but I dont think they could offer an axe that would be better than what a wetterlings or S&N already offer... they do the trick and are relatively inexpensive.

I feel the same way about the Lite Machete and I'm not too sure what the Lite Machete for $60 will do that a $15 Imacasa wont? ESEE doesnt even make/treat the blade on Lite Machete, just the handles - I think the same thing would be done with an axe...

The debate between machete or axe is beat to death - it 100% without a doubt entirely depends on your geographic location and climate.

A machete does jack shit as compared to an axe when you need to split pieces of frozen wood to get a fire lit in the middle of the winter.

Generally here in the north with hardwoods, axes reign supreme - generally in the tropics with softer wood and brush, it's the machete's world.

Simple as that.

In the summer when there is enough fallen wood I pack an 18" imacasa machete, in the fall and winter it's a 19" Wetterlings or Snow and Neally.

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As it is for folders and for fixed blades... :D

The lack of enthusiasm for an ESEE axe surprises me! Damn that thing would be sweet... Maybe I can just put in a custom order if nobody else wants one... ;)

JGON

Don't get me wrong, I would love to buy an ESEE-branded axe. In fact, I don't have an axe and need one. I've looked around but don't know enough about the different brands to know a good one from a POS.

The axe heads are super thick and usually hand-forged. The knife blades are laser cut from pieces of steel. I imagine it would be VERY labor intensive and more costly to make a quality axe head that meets the ESEE levels of quality that they desire at a price-point they like.

If they found someone who could forge heads for them that are great quality I'd buy one. It seems like they really like Rowen, and are now using LionSteel for the folders, but I'm not too sure how many different manufacturers would be too many to deal with or who would do a mass-forging of axe heads in the first place. I am axe ignorant.
 
As it is for folders and for fixed blades... :D

The lack of enthusiasm for an ESEE axe surprises me! Damn that thing would be sweet... Maybe I can just put in a custom order if nobody else wants one... ;)

JGON

If you do a search this request has been made often of Jeff & Mike.

Don't quote me on this but if i remember correctly on of the reasons they gave for not producing on is the price point. They would not be able to produce a good quality axe/hatchet in the pricing area they would want to sell it in. Also that there are many very good companies out there that produce quality axes already.

JGON have you looked at any of the axes & hatchets produced by Condor. They have some really nice looking pieces for very nice prices & Condor is who produces the blade for the ESEE Lite Machete.
 
I'd love an axe, but in all honesty, there is already great axes out there at great prices. I don't really use axes much, but I know for sure I could buy them as gifts for a couple of the older fellows in my family who grew up using them.
 
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