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The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by ChazzyP, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. newronic

    newronic

    9
    May 29, 2019
    How thick is the blade stock on the Zero? Could not find it anywhere...
     
  2. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    From Tom's announcement over at USN:
    Technical data:
    Blade length: 85mm (3.35in), with cutting edge length of 90mm (3.5in)
    Blade thickness: 3.5mm (0.14in)
    Handle length: 110mm (4.3in)
    OAL length: 195mm (7.7in)
    Pivot: two-row MRBS
    Weight: 84 grams (2.96oz)
    Locking mechanism: frame lock
     
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  3. newronic

    newronic

    9
    May 29, 2019
    Thanks... so in a way this and the F95 Slim are actually quite similar
     
  4. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    That's likely so, especially when considering the Nudist appearance of those two knives, but, having neither the Slim nor a Zero, my opinion regarding cutting geometry is based on my F95R being somewhat rare with a 3.5mm blade.

    I did some comparisons using my digital caliper between my older SRBS F95 Turtle with its stock FFG 4 mm blade and the 5/6ths 3.5 grind of the R, and made some interesting discoveries. Firstly, the blade stock, as one might expect, measured all-but-exactly to spec. Secondly, however, when measuring the two blades at comparable points vertically (where the 5/6ths flat of the 3.5 begins to taper into the primary grind) the 4 mm FFG blade was already to down 3.5 there. Thirdly, when measuring horizontally from the handle forward at similarly comparable points where the 5/6 flat meets the primary grind at the blade spine the 4 mm blade was actually thinner there. Sighting down the two blades forward, the FFG blade appears to approximate a distal taper (though not a true one) while the full dimension of the 3.5 blade continues forward of the flat before tapering more radically to the point.

    One advantage of thinner stock in the Slim is that allows the space between the slabs to be narrower and, along with slightly thinner handle slab stock, makes for a knife that is slimmer indeed in pocket and hand. Interestingly, the difference between my two knives (again SRBS Turtle 4mm and F95R 3.5 mm) is virtually non-existent, with the R actually just the tiniest bit thicker in both dimensions, the difficult of measuring the Turtle's exterior notwithstanding.

    It strikes me that, in terms of cutting geometry, the only true advantage in terms of slicing and piercing for the thinner blade stock as ground is at full penetration of the blade where the relief of the flat at 3.5 mm reduces additional drag and any tendency of the blade to jam in whatever material is being cut. Of course, this is something of an advantage, particularly for slicing, I find the 5/6ths grind to be quite attractive, and do enjoy that my particular F95R is something other than the usual.
     
  5. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    No Slim here and no Zero. Just my F95R 3.5 mm in Vanax 37 and NeOn UL in S30V, but still very pleased with and enjoying both. :D

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  6. PSU2001

    PSU2001 Gold Member Gold Member

    257
    Jul 25, 2014
    No I bought it off the forum
     
  7. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    @PSU2001 , exactly what are you looking to accomplish with a "spa" treatment. Internal cleaning, improving action, cosmetic improvement? Is the 95 in question the one you have on the Exchange at WTS and WTB?

    If you have the black COA from R1 they might send it back to the Workshop for you, but that would likely involve a considerable turnaround time (months?). You should ask them if that's what you have in mind.

    Josh at Razor Edge Knives is familiar with Shiros and would be a good guy to work on your knife, but he is always busy and would give you some idea of turnaround depending on what you want.

    If you just want to open, clean, lube, it's really not that hard--you just need to be careful with the bearings and put things back together in the order they came apart. I and others have posted pics and various how-to's here in the Den--just search back and there's advice here that'll help you out.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
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  8. PSU2001

    PSU2001 Gold Member Gold Member

    257
    Jul 25, 2014
    Thanks for the help, Clean, lube, etc is exactly what I want I will contact Josh, I
    appreciate your help. It is the F95 I have posted, more than likely will be keeping it.
     
  9. mpjustin

    mpjustin Gold Member Gold Member

    807
    Sep 5, 2009
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  10. marcus52AR

    marcus52AR Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 22, 2014
    Why you torture me..^^ with those pictures. Haha

    The measurements @ChazzyP posted above aren't helping either. The zero is calling my name.
     
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  11. CPP

    CPP Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 8, 2014
    There is currently a counterfeit Shirogorov for sale on the Exchange with a bizarre feature: a lockbar insert in the outermost scale of a liner lock! As the seller has clearly stated that is a clone I'm not sure if this allowed on the exchange...
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  12. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    Don't think it is allowed, @CPP. I just reported it as "Selling clones" so we'll see what the mods do about it.
     
  13. CPP

    CPP Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 8, 2014
    Any idea on the lockbar insert looking screw in the above picture? I assume it's just there to appear more Shiroy
     
  14. ChazzyP

    ChazzyP Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 27, 2014
    Can't go back and look now, @CPP , as the mods took down the sales post and pics as well they should have. Hard to believe that a member of three years with many posts and feedbacks didn't know better. :rolleyes:

    The dude said that knife was a frame lock, but there was no evidence of a lockbar on the exterior in his pic. That screw didn't make an sense to me, but googling the name brought up one YouTube review and sales threads from the usual scummy online vendors for clones and counterfeits. It is indeed a frame lock, so the screw holding the insert does make sense. What doesn't make sense is us spending any time talking about this :poop:. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
     
  15. Stumpy72

    Stumpy72 Basic Member Basic Member

    783
    Jul 5, 2018
    There are some pix of Shiro/CRK collaborations in the “Graphic Impindas” thread in the CRK forum. One of them appears to be a 95 with the CRK Big Dipper Night Sky graphic. I think it might be the single most beautiful Shiro--or for that matter, even flipper in general--that I’ve ever seen. It’s a good thing I’m not at the show today. Any hope I might have had to stick with some semblance of self-control or a budget would have disappeared like a puff of cigarette smoke in a hurricane.
     
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  16. CPP

    CPP Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 8, 2014
    Newest collab with RJ Martin! After the Lee Williams of course...
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  17. rxavage

    rxavage

    810
    Aug 16, 2014
    This is the first shiro I’ve seen that’s making me consider one
     
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  18. Pharmagator

    Pharmagator Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 17, 2010
    classic RJ Martin blade style...
     
  19. marcus52AR

    marcus52AR Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 22, 2014
    That shallow duckfoot propriety screw on that collaboration kind of bothers me, but the rest of the knife looks great.
     
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  20. Nik.st

    Nik.st

    11
    May 19, 2019
    How nudist feel comparing to regular 95. I want to get one of them. Is there any difference in action. Both on mrbs.

    Thanks
     

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