The best combination of tools for cutting and splitting firewood

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Hello everyone on Bladeforums. I'm new here and this is my first post, and I have a question I just haven't been able to find an answer to in the archives.

It seems somewhat silly but something I keep asking myself when watching knife reviews which include batoning wood. My first thought, and my question, is: Where are they getting these nicely cut logs? Silly as it seems it leads to a bigger question.

Let me elaborate. I will see videos of a medium size knife, like a Bk7, batoning a log or piece of wood that seems much too big to have cut up into logs by itself. I understand that these guys for all I know could have taken them from their woodpile that was cut up by a chainsaw. But I want to know about the applications of batoning in the field, and what equipment or combination of tools is best.

This makes me think of an experience I had when I was younger, when some friends and myself decided to go �camping� together. Not park your car by the lake, bring the cooler type camping, but along the lines of backpacking a few miles in and setting up shelter by the river. "Roughing it". I was inexperienced but still knew enough to suggest we pack light and bring one good size axe or saw at most, and any other knives/tools should be small for light work and kept to a minimum. Of course we ended up with a collection of poor quality survival knives, clunky bowies, machetes, saws, ect. Of course this was an absolute chore to hike with, but even with this arsenal we barely used most of the tools we had. The axe was of poor quality and clunky, and we ended up using the saw most often to cut larger pieces, or my Bk7 for quick work of smaller ones. Most of the time however, we gathered brush from the ground, and almost no batoning happened.

Years later, more experienced, and with an upcoming camping trip, I want to plan what way would be best way to cut firewood, especially in regards to bringing limited items. Batoning wood does seem useful for dense cuts of wood, but how is it done? Can I take a medium knife like the bk7 and baton wood I have cut with a saw? Or should I bring one of my good quality hatchets? Or could I bring one larger knife like an esee junglas and cut pieces off that way? Basically I want to know; when would I baton wood, how would I baton wood, and what is the best option for cutting firewood altogether, whether that means batoning or not.
 
For me- best combination is a buck or bowsaw and a boys axe.

For portability, a quality folding saw and hatchet(14-16"). You can cut/carve wooden wedges for use with the hatchet if needed.

Bill
 
difficult to beat the axe + saw + 4-5 inch knife for the woods
Saw to saw wood (sven saw)
Axe to chop / split (wetterling small forest axe)
Knife for general duty food prep or baton small wood (enzo trapper)

this combo works for me
 
depends all on your style. I like the safety factor of a bow saw for breaking down wood instead of breaking it up with an ax, its also easier to split then. But you can just use a star style fire-lay.

The type of wood you are going to be burning. you can go for a big knife and baton, or an ax. depends on what you have on hand. Everyone has their own style. Personally I find that swinging a big blade into tough wood burns a lot of energy. If you are in small stuff where two swings gets you close enough to break it, then you are laughing. But in the heavy stuff, a saw is safer, and I think more efficient.

Really, you can do it whatever way you find easiest. From your list of gear, I would probably take a hatchet, saw and smaller knife.... unless you were looking at chopping lots of little wood (willow brush or the like) then I would go for the Junglas and a small knife. Its harder to give much more advice than that without knowing what kind of wood you will be running into.
 
I'm not sure how many and what size knives you have to choose from , so lets say your BK7 is your only knife . I would say you could process all the wood you could need with a folding saw and your BK7 .

I have a very light weight Silky 210 folding saw (8 1/4' blade) and my Survive GSO 5 knife (5" blade) and that's all I need . You can find plenty of wood that's 3 to 5" diameter that the saw can handle and I can batton and split the wood with my 5" knife by making the first split off to the side rather than in the center if the log is 5" or more . To batton , you simply cut yourself a piece of good solid wood about 2" diameter by about 16" long with your saw . Then stand the piece you want to split on it's end , place your knife on it with the tip of the blade sticking out the other side enough to strike with your batton . Start by striking the spine of the knife that is directly over the wood you are splitting . Once the knife sinks deep into the wood you can strike the tip and the spine near the handle that are sticking out . If you need to do any fine carving , usually we all have some sore of smaller EDC knife on us for that anyway .


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I would say that having a folding saw on hand (Silky perhaps) as well as your BK-7 would be sufficient. If you like to pound stuff, maybe a hatchet as well. I would always plan on having a smaller knife with you for more detailed cutting. I suspect you'll find out that you seldom "need" to baton for firewood/kindling and the small knife will get used far more than the BK-7 unless you are just playing.

If you are in an area of heavy undergrowth, maybe dump the BK-7 in favor of a short machet.
 
After seeing a video of a gentleman making a bow saw using a SAK. I'd opt for some bow saw blades, and a hatchet. Even though it is not the best tool, a SAK can make a feather stick for getting the fire going. If you have a hatchet, or a boys ax, you don't need a large knife for wood processing. If you do not carry the ax or hatchet then the large knife and batoning will work for processing wood into useable pieces for a small fire.
 
Chain saw and maul. If you have to hike with your firewood cutting tools then a bow saw or folding saw. If you absolutely must have a splitting tool then a hatchet works best and can be used to buck logs to length in a pinch.
 
I don't and cannot bend over well to pick up firewood so I use a pickaroon (sorry not sure of how to spell pickaroon) to pluck up rounds to place on the block for splitting. I don a leather apron when bucking up wood with the chainsaw, and use a 3lb maul for splitting. I light maul works well with white birch which splits easily. I go through about 7 bush cords of wood to heat the place.
 
Thanks for the replies, you guys are awesome! A lot of helpful information, especially helpful in that I can ask such a specific question and get specific answers. The chainsaw and axe combo would definitely be best if there was no hiking involved. However, an axe is heavy, and even though a friend carried his all the way on that past trip, we rarely used it. I think a big part of that was we didn’t have a saw of any kind for cutting sections of wood to split, and the axe was dull enough that chopping was too much of a chore. It’s unfortunate because I now have an estwing camp axe that goes through wood like nothing else. The look of joy on a friends face as he experiences it take down a large sapling in one swipe is awesome. The trade-off is a thinner blade profile which does not split quite as well, but still works for me. As many of you have stated, a folding or bow saw and a hatchet would work just fine, and a smaller knife for lighter tasks. I think 22-rimfire made a good point in saying "You'll find out that you seldom "need" to baton for firewood." And I think I’m starting to realize this. The combo I’m leaning towards is a bow saw and a hatchet, and a small jackknife. Nothing beats a machete for brush and undergrowth but that’s not a necessity I feel. I have a customized CS kopis machete that does a superb job, but that I’ll be leaving at home. And if a friend happens to bring a machete, then great.
 
I practice batonning because it is like many skills- good to know how should you need to. I do not use my best quality blades and I can say that when breaking wood down small, I think it safer than trying to stabilize a piece with left hand and moving hand as hatchet falls----good way to lose a thumb.

Remember that a hatchet can also be "batonned"- For a small piece you are splitting, place bit on piece and tap poll with another chunk of wood.

Bill
 
Very helpful.. thought I'd share. Thank you guys for the help by the way:thumbup:
[video=youtube;2crhaLCglKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crhaLCglKo[/video]
 
I will be trying out a Bahco Laplander saw, a hatchet or tomahawk, a fixed blade and a folder on all my backcountry trips this summer. The new addition is the Laplander but I think it will be the most useful tool I take in the backcountry. When I backpack, I am not cutting down huge trees or splitting foot wide logs to feed the fire. Mainly I gather branches or downed trees. A saw will turn a 6 foot branch into 6 nice pieces very quickly.
 
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