The Cold Steel AD-10 IS the best knife money can buy 2

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Howdy folks and Happy New Year....

I'd like to start off by saying thanks to the original OP of this title thread that either was closed by the OP or shutdown. In any case it was weirdly interesting, engaging, funny, addictive and at time thought provoking. It made 17 pages too! Not bad.

The reason for this thread is not to continue that thread per se but it was closed and since past the holidays and handling a few good lock-back knives, I've been doing some pondering and some deep thought on the issue. Especially as I found myself looking over my collection of different locking folders. There's the plunge lock or often called button lock, the liner lock, the compression lock, the axis lock, the (whatever the lock is called on the Anthem) lock, the compression ball lock (Manix 2 for example), the frame lock, the lock back, the Tria-ad lock, the Scorpion lock, the locks of OTFs like Microtech and such, and this list goes on and on.

I've been caught up in higher end knives for the past 3+ years and feel blessed to be able to experience and own such knives. However, I do wonder if they ARE the best knives? I kind of always just assumed given the quality of materials, the reputation, the way they feel in hand (think of Hinderers, Striders, Chris Reeves, and mid tech folders). I've never once personally ran into an issue with a locking knife failing other than a plunge lock that was already not properly engaged to begin with. I have though been cautiously worried at times with some frame locks or liner locks failing. I've heard stories about each and axis locks as well. It really got me thinking....

Buck, Spyderco, and Cold Steel (to name a few) have used lock backs in their most popular and profitable models for years and years. We talking lots of years. :) Though I haven't done a ton of searching, I haven't heard of a good quality lock back failing yet. The few I recently experienced were surprisingly strong and solid and examining the way they lock the blade in and what is needed to make them fail, it makes you wonder - Is the Lock Back and variations thereof the strongest, most reliable in the game, even after all these years?

I personally think it is good even if you have the budget and are into custom knives, to keep your mind open to the idea that there are great knives and designs out there that have stood the test of time and still going strong and many under $150. It is a strange appreciation and wondering, a pondering if you will, looking upon very solid sub $100 lock-backs and thinking "my gosh, how did I miss this?!". Maybe it takes going to $750+ knife journeys to really come around full circle. Or maybe your budget doesn't allow and you've always just been in that Ignorance is Bliss stage. In reality, your bliss might actually be not one of ignorance but of sheer magical luck and circumstance and turn out to be knife bliss at its best.

Coming from this premise, getting back to the AD-10, one can only assume it is the most evolved version of those early, proven lock backs. I've never owned a Tri-AD lock but there are too many stellar reviews to ignore the hype. Stout 3.5" S35VN satin blade, Contoured G10 full grip-filling handle, maybe the strongest ever lock in the Tri-AD lock? Gosh, maybe it is definitely worth checking out again. I left Cold Steel in the dust years ago due to their grivory or plastic-y whatever you call them handles but with these new material upgrades and collaborations, the curiosity is very much there again in spades. Also happen to be looking for a decent camp/ work/ outdoorsy/ heavy duty knife once again. Thus, I'm considering choosing 1 of the following: The AD-10, the AD-15, the Max Scout, the Bush Ranger, and the Recon. Which one do ya'll recommend and why? If you had to or could only choose one what would it be? Also, if you aren't a fan of the AD-10 or the likes of these listed please say why and if you just are here for laughs, well, we could always use more of those too in these times.
 
the ad10 and ad15 were nice knives but they were both pocket bricks so i sold them, i never got a 4max scout cause it is even bigger. i have a bush ranger though and i carry it all the time. also i think the cold steel ultimate hunter and the 4 inch voyager drop point are similar to the ad10 but lighter and easier to carry. the 4 inch voyager drop point is really nice for the price. i have the recon 1 but i just dont like the rough g10 handles on it as much.

our good friend charlie mike was a big fan of the underrated bush ranger, he did a good review on it
 
Let's not start this again. There are a ton of threads on those k Ives already and you can look in the cold steel forum for information as well. The search bar is there for a reason.
 
AD10 is fun to have and I have one. It is great in many aspects except one: cutting. For that I will pick Recon 1 ($90) if I have to stay with Cold Steel. There are many great all around sub-$150 folders outside of CS - they are much lighter, better slicer, with equal or better Steel, with still reasonably safe lock, and can be hard used without issues, etc., e.g., spyderco Manix 2 (M390, cruwear), Endela (k390, 20cv).

So no - IMO AD10 is not the best folder money can buy. It is a brick. This thread will end up with the same fate as the first one.
 
‘Best’ is a matter of opinion depending on your specific requirements. I EDC fixed blades. I also carry a folder for lighter tasks & the Triad lock is the one I trust. It’s mechanically simple & absolutely rock solid (for a folder, that is). - - The specific model & blade steel after that comes to personal preference IMO.

(I happen to be carrying a CS American Lawman now.)
 
I think the OP made several outstanding points. I walked away from cold steel for years due to the feeling of the handle material. Most of the ones I handled in person felt cheap so I thought the entire brand was cheap. I WAS WRONG!!!! I also have recently discovered certain Cold Steel Knives that completely and totally change my opinion, and I was more surprised than anyone. I own and absolutely love my Spyderco’s, Benchmades , Chris Reeves Knives, Hinderers, zero tolerance knives and many others all in this arena. That being said, I put Cold Steel is sort of in a category of its own because of everything you’re getting for the price and this is where I agree with the OP on many of his points.

The AD10 completely changed a lot of my thinking about what owning a quality knife means because of how it’s made, how it feels in the hand, materials, stupid strength, crazy hair popping sharp out of the box(pretty crazy for a “brick”), and it can be opened and closed easily with one hand. The AD10 made such a big impression on me that I have since been buying up all kinds of Cold Steel knives.

If you’re thinking about a camping knife situation out of the ones you listed, I like a Recon 1. I think the Recon grips would hold up really well in any wet or sweaty conditions. I think the AD10 smooth G-10 might get slippery and wet conditions. Getting back to your original point though, the AD10 is quite possibly the most comfortable and has the best ergonomics of my entire knife collection. Trust me, I almost can’t believe it myself.
 
As the T TheEdge01 mentioned and as I wrote in the previous thread with this title, if you like the AD10 and want to save a few dollars, get the CS Ultimate Hunter. Look at them side by side. Not much difference. I love my CS UH (I do have the previous CTS-XHP version) and it has been my 2nd most carried knife after the Spyderco Endura over the last year or so.
 
It’s a great, well-made knife. I’ve literally never carried mine because it’s so large and heavy, but I can’t see myself selling it because I like it so much. Quite a conundrum. The Recon 1 gets much more pocket time. I like the thinner blade too.
 
I just don't see how it beats the CS heavy duty sword cane that I got the other day.
Now that thing is hilarious/awesome, and cheaper too.
 
If i could only have the ad15 or the ad10, it would be the ad15. As far as knives go, i think its the pinnacle of cool. Much cooler than otfs which is the opposite, they are nerdy to me. Sure knife and movie nerds will think they are cool, but whats cool to nerds are nerdy things…

The ad10 and ad15 are fine in my pockets. I carry back pocket on the outside edges and since ive a tiny hiney so i dont sit on the knife (i dont have a 4 max, so i cant speak of that).

If it is conceivable that a knife can be the best knife for SOME people, then its fine if someone wants to call it the best knife. Its got all the things you need in a knife just doesnt have some of the stuff we may want in a knife.
 
Lockback blades are extremely robust and basically set the standard for locking blades, as most previous designs were comparitively weak and/or prone to failure.

Lockbacks remain among the strongest of locking mechanisms, their strength isn't often in question, it's more to do with how smooth the action is or how easy it is to deploy, and lockbacks aren't often known for smooth, easy deployment.
However, being such an old design, a lot of cheap, poor quality knives are lockback, and even the best things can be made to look bad if they aren't done properly. So those who have a decidedly poor opinion of the strength of lockback knives most likely has dealt with mostly poor quality examples.

In addition, there are certain folks who simply cannot appreciate the value of simplicity, (especially from an engineering standpoint) and view anything simplistic and inexpensive as objectively inferior to otherwise complex, expensive things, because more means better in their ironically simplistic point of view. Such people are obviously disdainful towards lockbacks, or otherwise any inexpensive knife which is of a relatively simplistic design.

Last but not least, Cold Steel as a company is somewhat polarizing both due to their business practices as well as the styles/designs of knives they produce.
I have to agree with the sentiments of certain online knife reviewers like Nick Shabazz that Cold Steel basically makes good, working, safe examples of what are otherwise outlandish, silly, Gas Station-esq knife designs. In other words, Cold Steel has captured a niche in the knives market by producing knives of a peculiar nature/design, often mirroring the aesthetics of otherwise novelty blades, but they actually make them functional or safe.

Personally, I carried a Cold Steel Ti-Lite VI for the past few years up until very recently, and I would be lying if I didn't admit that my main attraction to the knife was in the aesthetics/design which drew heavy inspiration from Stiletto Switchblade knives, only it isn't an automatic knife and is built much stronger than your typical cheap stiletto switchblade.
It was a good knife too, otherwise I wouldn't have carried it so long, but it's a huge knife of a design which really doesn't lend itself well to general use. Most Cold Steel knives are like that too.
 
Last but not least, Cold Steel as a company is somewhat polarizing both due to their business practices as well as the styles/designs of knives they produce.
I have to agree with the sentiments of certain online knife reviewers like Nick Shabazz that Cold Steel basically makes good, working, safe examples of what are otherwise outlandish, silly, Gas Station-esq knife designs. In other words, Cold Steel has captured a niche in the knives market by producing knives of a peculiar nature/design, often mirroring the aesthetics of otherwise novelty blades, but they actually make them functional or safe.

Agreed. Cold Steel knives don't appeal much to me at all; I can appreciate them for what they are but I haven't given them much of a look for quite a few years. I have owned the Voyager(s) of all sizes, the Spartan, a few fixed blades and others but didn't really ever click with them. I tend to gravitate towards knives with more "soul," thus their designs don't jive much with what I am after. They all really felt pretty cheap in my hands (reliable locking mechanism not withstanding) and the Voyagers in particular are absolute pocket destroyers - the embossed crosses tear through jeans.

The sudden influx of concern regarding locks failing is interesting however - not sure what spurred that to the forefront?
 
As previously stated, I suspect that cheap, poor quality knives are to blame. A lot of folks like to present themselves as consumers of sophistication who only own the finest of blades and have never ever purchased nor will they ever purchase a cheap knife, but the truth is that most folks own at least one cheap knife, and often times those who are quick to show off their fancy high dollar knives don't actually use them and are carrying something far cheaper.

In addition, as much as folks call out eBay for selling counterfeit knives then laugh at some of the more obvious examples, many folks still shop for knives on eBay, let their desire for a good deal to overcome their common sense, then buy a counterfeit at a price which was obviously too good to be true, overlook the telltale signs that it's counterfeit, then blame the real brand because their counterfeit broke.
 
Stronger lock doesn't mean better any more than greater abrasive wear resistance means better steel. I have carried an Endura of one type or another since 1992 and I've never come near breaking one. None have worn out either. I have my reasons for choosing one type over another but I have never thought that something was the best because it suited me. I have several Cold steels but none find their way into my pocket for permanent use after the initial carry. They just aren't better for me but I do like them
 
I have an AD10 in my pocket as I type this. That's actually part of why I clicked this thread. I've been very happy with mine. It's good quality and a nice design. All premium materials. I can't imagine why you would be disappointed. If you get one, I hope you like it!
 
The AD-10, the AD-15, the Max Scout, the Bush Ranger, and the Recon.
I don't have , nor have I ever handled the AD-15 or Max Scout but they aren't directly comparable to the AD-10 .

The AD-15 has a totally different lock from the Tri-ad , probably worth trying just for that reason .( I just haven't found my trigger price for one yet .)

Max Scout is a bigger and heavier folder with less expensive materials . Cheaper to buy and probably strong enough for most uses . A tank .

Bush Ranger has no metal liners like the AD-10 , but the G10 handle is quite thick and strong . Also , IMO , one of the most comfortable working handles I've ever used on a folder and better than many fixed . It's more compact than the others but still very sturdy . Not the best for huge hands .

Recon 1 has longer blade ~4" and longer OAL , but thinner blade and handle , no liners . Probably the least strong , but you'd still have trouble breaking it in any normal use . Classic Cold Steel goodness , well proven .

AD-10 is the standout for Tri-ad lock smooth , drop shut operation . Right out of the box . Very good F&F on mine .

Heck , you should BUY THEM ALL . And PDQ , before GSM "improves " them . ;)
 
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