The disposable knife.

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We love our pocket knives.

Of course we do, this is a knife forum, and a subform for those of us who get exited at the sight of nice jigged bone, old yellowed stag, or even a nice exotic wood like ebony or rosewood. Where would Buck be without those dense but beautiful tropical hardwood scales on the 110 all those years? Or Case, with that old school chestnut bone?

It's been a few years, but I remember reading that way back in the 1930's, Remington did a study, and they figured out the average life of a pocket knife was like 2 years. Two years. The\ats' a mere 730 days. Not a very longtime by any standards. To me, it's a waking nightmare thinking of all those old Case XX's, and Remington trappers, and John Russell Company Barlow's being reduced to scrap metal in just 730 days, give or take a week. I can only wonder what kind of owners those knives had, that they died so quick. Now it seems like we buy a nice Case or GEC, and it gets at least that long being fondled, cherished, and only grudgingly used for cutting something. We collect them, horde them, yet would be loth to take one and scrape the gasket off a cast iron top end, or use as a can opener by punching and cutting the metal top off a can of chill.

I remember the dime stores I'd go in back when I was kid, when they still had soda fountains where you cold get a cold Coke in a tall glass for a nickel. Up near the cash register were standup cardboard display stands of the 'necessary' things a person needed. Nail clippers for a quarter, plastic combs for a dime. And standup displays of pocket knives. These ere almost always a small serpentine two blade jack, thin carbon steel blades, and as the 50's wore on, crimped on shell handles of painted sheet metal. They were cheap, cut good, and a pocket knife was considered a 'necessity'.

Those knives were actually used hard, and I guess the Remington study must have held true then. These were the disposable knives of their day. They weren't meant to be cherished, just used hard, and when it came time to toss it in the trash can, you just bought a new one when you stopped off at the corner drug store for a pack of Chesterfields or a small tin of aspirin. And the local Army-Navy surplus store had bins of TL-29's for 75 cents a pop, or the German Mercator 55's for 99 cents a pop. Boys bought them, threw them at trees until they broke, and that was it. Growing up, I don't ever recall many people cherishing their pocket knives like we do now.

I guess I only think about this now because of my neighbor, Tom. Tom is one of those guys who could kill a pocket knife in a year or two. IN fact, I saw him do it today. One of those little peanut size black plastic handle lock blades they sell at the corner gas and go, for something like 2.99. The small reprocessed tuna fish can blade is partly serrated, and can saw through a peanut butter sandwich pretty well. But Tom likes them, and thinks I'm nuts for spending more than 2.99 for a pocketknife. This moring, I watched him break it without a thought in the world. Getting ready for Superbowl Sunday, scarping his grill and prying off the rusty vet cap, there was a metallic "tink" sound, and there was his little knife with a flat end on the blade. Tom's only comment was, "Huh, now it makes a decent screw driver!"

Thinking of this, made me think about our knife obsession, and the disposable knife. Are there still people who buy knives with the thought of using it too oblivion? Do the trusty old workhorse's, the sodbuster, still get used for hard work,? The French Opinel was born as working peasant knife, and certainly some French day laborer or farmer didn't have a lot of money to spend on a knife, so he bought what he could afford and used it hard, like his counter parts in Germany with the Herder's sodbusters. I understood from some real French guys, that the Opinel was actually bought in numbers of two or more a great deal of the time, knowing that they were to be "used up." I can't see that happening with a nice GEC.

And the old John Russell Barlows, were a knife that I wonder if they were bought with the idea of a year or two life span. They came from the factory pretty rough, with saw cut bone scales and iron bolsters and liners. Some Kansas farmer or Texas cowpoke would use it as the cutting tool it was meant to be. Those old pictures of a knife worn down to a sharpened toothpick always make me smile. Some working man got his moneys worth out of it, for sure.

Today, we don't seem to have as many disposable knives as there used to be. Opinel is still around, and they make a fine cutter if you're careful with them. Case still has the sodbuster, but it's grown in price tag. I'm not sure if it's still as usable like in the old days, when you cold buy a wiring peasant knife for the price of a few beers at the corner pub. The old Mercator is now about 30 bucks or so, similar in price to a Case sodbuster. But we still have the Svord peasant knife!

I wonder if we are living in an age of affluence and the day of the disposable pocket knife is past?
 
Great post and as a lover of all things traditional/older I think there were always items that were purpose built and mean to be used hard. As to disposable I would say that is a matter of debate. Seeing blades sharpened down to next to nothing says that the knife was being used for as long as possible, no throwing it away until the useful life was rung out it. I think there was no disposable back then that is why unused specimens are rare- our affluence let's us own dozens of knifes that do not see the light day (safe queens). Today who uses a knife that long!
 
Jackknife, as a long time fan of your stories and thinking of your father who carried a peanut for all those years, I think that the idea of a disposable knife and a knife worth keeping has been an idea since pocket knives have been conceived. There are cheap knives that meant to be abused and used till they break while there are others that were meant to be kept for years. It can also be based on a persons own take on what a knife is meant to do. People who carry a disposable knife use it for every conceivable task. A person who has a knife for years might stop an think what would be a more appropriate tool for the task. To me, the scout knife or SAK is the perfect balance between those who beat a knife while still carrying it for years because then they have a tool for every daily task for themselves while not compromising the integrity of the tool as a whole. I don't know, this is just a pre-bowl rambling :D I best be off, but will have this as food for thought!
 
It's been a few years, but I remember reading that way back in the 1930's, Remington did a study, and they figured out the average life of a pocket knife was like 2 years.

Two years? That's not much at all.

I admit it, I like a fine knife. My most carried piece is a GEC 73 with beautiful stag covers. I'm on a mission to use it up before I clock out, but I'm getting nowhere. Stropping often means that this knife rarely sees a stone. I took off a bunch of steel during the initial reprofiling, but it's experienced very little blade loss since.

Cheap knives have their place though. Things like cutting sandpaper, or scraping, as you pointed out. It's not that I don't think my 73 is unable to meet the challenge, but I like a fine edge on my carry pieces. I don't see the point in dulling them all, not when I can minimize sharpening by using a couple of dedicated beaters. Given a choice I'll reach for a cheap knife, but I won't hesitate to use the knife in my pocket if that's all I have available.

My beater? It's an old Kissing Crane Brown Mule that I picked up for maybe $10. A very cheap knife, with uneven covers, a proud spring, poorly ground blade, and gaps galore. Even then I spiffed it up with a couple of coats of Tru-Oil.



I really have knives on the brain. I know the point of this thread was cheap knives, but I did a quick calculation in my head. I don't have near enough slipjoints. At two years a pop, and assuming I live to 80, I'm a good half-dozen short. Thanks for providing me with a really good reason to go shopping, not that I never needed one.

;)

- Christian
 
I agree that even in "the day" some knives were used more carefully than others.

The everyday beater of today is probably tactical style and has a blade of pot metal. That probably has something to do with the decline of knives as an everyday tool. People not learning to sharpen as kids contributes as well. If the knife you have isn't much better than your keys or another semi-sharp piece of steel you might drift away from carrying one.

We didn't know how good we had it with those old Imperials (et al), great cutters with cheap handles. My buds and I knocked too many shell slabs off throwing them at trees as you said. Boys will be dumb. Then they'd eventually get thrown away. I wish I still had them, they'd be fun to re-slab.

As knifers, we can still find decent cheaper workers. We know a bit more than the everyday schmoe. Rough Rider, Colt, the aforementioned Svord, yadda. Lotta junk out there though.

Mercator..... $30..... I KNOW! Like you say, just get a Sodbuster at that point.
 
Great read, Jack! As one who has collected many Hammer and Imperial brand knives over the last several years I have often pondered this question. You're right, boys were mostly the buyers of these knives and probably did destroy them in a short time after. Somehow though, many survived so those of us who love seeing the history can still hold and even carry them.
Perry
 
I know in Sweden, Mora and Hultafors are used up and tossed away. I saw one that was caked with caulking, hanging in a tool shed. We have those sliding razors with the breakable tips. For folders, they have those hardware store/rest stop no-name lockbacks made overseas. Opis for $12 and Svords for $15, too much for me to toss aside, but that's just me.
 
yes, there are still disposable knives - but none I can think of that meet posting criteria in this forum for discussing or posting pictures of.
"gas station knives" and "bucket knives" (as in "buy a bucket of knives for only $.xx each") cover most of these -- the rest are either snap off blades as mentioned above or "stanley" type disposable blade knives.
 
I see knives at liquor stores and swap meets that shouldn't even have been made. Those are disposable in that they are cheap, won't resharpen well, and are usually bought by people who need to make a statement rather than use a tool. I realize I am generalizing, but I speak only from experience. Here on the forum we tend to care about our knives and other tools more so than the average person. Most of us were either taught as children, or have learned later in life as adults, to treat tools with respect. Those who haven't learned this are destroying tools and wasting money. GEC won't be making a $10.00 knife soon and this separates us from the Coast and Frost crowd. We care and so we spend. We spend and so we care. Could I get by with a cheap Coast knife? Probably, but then I wouldn't come here to see all of the beautiful examples of times past in the knife industry. My Super Tinker gets no free pass when it comes to dirty jobs. It is not disposable to me at all in that it has been with me through every home repair job, camping trip, and daily walk for 5 years. We are knife folks. Knife folks are different. The right kind of different.
 
Well, I live in a large city, and so I don't have much call to use my knives hard. I collect them as works of art and design, and the most I do is sharpen pencils and open boxes with them. I have a few knives, specifically some that I've modified to death, that I use to beat on in the workshop. I dunno. I suspect that in this digital age, knives are starting to become status symbols among the general populace, as opposed to tools.
But that's just my two cents.
:D
 
I started out with two Imperials before I got my first Case Barlow. I have to say that I paid for each of them from my allowance which wasn't much back then. When the large blade broke on the barlow cutting a pine limb, I was heart broken. Case replaced it for me after I mailed it to them. That was amazing to me.

There are still disposable knives today but the price has gone up with the likes of Frost and Rough Rider being mostly traditionals that get used and abused. I suppose there are $3 knives around, but I don't notice them. A Frost, Rough Rider, or SAK is probably where I would have started if I was in my pre-teen years now. If I knew enough to cruise the forms, I would probably be wanting a GEC and could never afford one.

Still want to get a canoe pattern. Always thought they were cool with a great name. But they are generally a lot smaller than I prefer now for a pocket folder.
 
Some of us still buy them to use. I was just wondering last week if Ken Coats would smile or cringe to see me scraping paint off the woodwork with one of his $400 custom jacks.

Back then, you bought a cheap knife for a buck and a gallon of gas for $0.19. Now, even with the falling prices, a gallon of gas is ten times as much, and you can buy a cheap pocketknife for ten bucks. Granted, it won't hold an edge like those old carbon steel Imperials, but it won't rust in your pocket, either. For the truly disposable mindset, the folding utility knife has replaced the traditional pocketknife. Why learn to sharpen when you can replace the blade for a dime?

We here are a tiny minority of the population, and by the standards of society as a whole, we are deranged. Most of the world considers our passion for our knives to be obsessive-compulsive disorder, a mental illness that should be treated. We of course know that we are the sane ones, and the rest of the world is crazy. All six point nine billion of them.
 
Well, I live in a large city, and so I don't have much call to use my knives hard. I collect them as works of art and design, and the most I do is sharpen pencils and open boxes with them. I have a few knives, specifically some that I've modified to death, that I use to beat on in the workshop. I dunno. I suspect that in this digital age, knives are starting to become status symbols among the general populace, as opposed to tools.
But that's just my two cents.
:D

I also live in a large city, yet I use a pocket knife on a daily basis. I don't consider any of my pocket knives works of art. A pocket knife is just a handy tool that every intelligent person should have with them on a daily basis.

And that's my 2¢
 
Jackknife, as a long time fan of your stories and thinking of your father who carried a peanut for all those years, I think that the idea of a disposable knife and a knife worth keeping has been an idea since pocket knives have been conceived. There are cheap knives that meant to be abused and used till they break while there are others that were meant to be kept for years. It can also be based on a persons own take on what a knife is meant to do. People who carry a disposable knife use it for every conceivable task. A person who has a knife for years might stop an think what would be a more appropriate tool for the task. To me, the scout knife or SAK is the perfect balance between those who beat a knife while still carrying it for years because then they have a tool for every daily task for themselves while not compromising the integrity of the tool as a whole. I don't know, this is just a pre-bowl rambling :D I best be off, but will have this as food for thought!

+1 to this ^ So this got me thinking, even back in the day there were many high quality knives. Some excellent and some more disposable with shells. I'm a youngerish guy, and don't have any experience with the original price of say an old kutmaster, schrade, case, rem, etc... But considering today's technology and the advancements made in the last 50+ years, it is probably MUCH cheaper to produce a quality knife in today's time than it was back then. Which is weird when you think about it, because it seems as though good knives have a pretty steep price point these days. In today's world a gec is worth about 50 gallons of gas. And worth every penny in my mind, I love them too. But it makes me wonder if maybe the price has been inflated due to them being more of a collectors item now days?

They are most likely "used" less in today's world, which means they probably sell less on the whole. So maybe the prices for high quality knives have raised, because the quantities are less. But then again maybe they sell more now, I don't know. But pocket knives seem less carried by men nowadays, but that is based on nothing but my wandering mind. Funny thinking about it, good thread
-Casey
 
I see knives at liquor stores and swap meets that shouldn't even have been made. Those are disposable in that they are cheap, won't resharpen well, and are usually bought by people who need to make a statement rather than use a tool. I realize I am generalizing, but I speak only from experience. Here on the forum we tend to care about our knives and other tools more so than the average person. Most of us were either taught as children, or have learned later in life as adults, to treat tools with respect. Those who haven't learned this are destroying tools and wasting money. GEC won't be making a $10.00 knife soon and this separates us from the Coast and Frost crowd. We care and so we spend. We spend and so we care. Could I get by with a cheap Coast knife? Probably, but then I wouldn't come here to see all of the beautiful examples of times past in the knife industry. My Super Tinker gets no free pass when it comes to dirty jobs. It is not disposable to me at all in that it has been with me through every home repair job, camping trip, and daily walk for 5 years. We are knife folks. Knife folks are different. The right kind of different.

In a way, that's what I was kind of wondering. The disposable knves of today, have no redeeming qualities at all. At least the cheap knives of years past, the shell bolster Imperials, war surplus TL-29's, Imported knives like Douk-Douks, Opinels, and Mercators at least cut well, and were pretty decent knives considering they were at the bottom of the ladder. They still stood up to some good use. Today, I have my doubts about some of the stuff I see at the gas stations and flee markets.
 
I think we are past the disposable knife times and into the hoarding of the grails.
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Still have my first gas station knife 10 years old?, never use it, but I may restore it.
 
When I posted this thread, I was looking at an old Opinel and thinking about when I was stationed in Germany, and we went TDY to Wheelus Air Force base to do work on the runways. They needed to have them extended and beefed up to handle the B52's and Tankers that were using what was once a tactical fighter base with F4 Phantoms. We spent three months there, and in my time exploring off base, as well as working with local labor that was contracted for the grunt work, I saw a huge amount of Opinel's and Dou-Douk's used. For some reason, French cutlery was very dominant in the market places over any other knife products. Douk-Douk's were available in different sizes, and carried for anything to slicing up some roasted lamb to settling ahold feud with someone from another clan of the Bedouin's. They could make the Hatfield's and McCoy's look like pikers when it came to holding a grudge.

I guess what I was thinking was, even the plain jane working knives that were designed to be used up back then, had some very good cutting ability. I was looking at my neighbor Tom's gas station knife, and it seems to be very very poor quality. Makes a Douk-Douk look like a high class knife. Makes a Case sodbuster look like a Kerry or Tony hand made. The only reason it cuts at all, is the serrations let you just saw through soft stuff. :eek:

One of those old shell handle Imperial Barlow's would put it to shame. They don't make cheap work knives like they used to. The Opinel's may have an Achilles heel or two, but they do cut well and they have a lot more character than the plastic stuff. The old work knives were like other old stuff, it was still very good serviceable stuff. I don't think there is anything like them now. Today we have the modern replaceable blade folding utility knives like one poster stated. But I still wonder at how Remington figured a 2 year life span of a pocket knife. That's a hard life!!!
 
When I posted this thread, I was looking at an old Opinel and thinking about when I was stationed in Germany, and we went TDY to Wheelus Air Force base to do work on the runways. They needed to have them extended and beefed up to handle the B52's and Tankers that were using what was once a tactical fighter base with F4 Phantoms. We spent three months there, and in my time exploring off base, as well as working with local labor that was contracted for the grunt work, I saw a huge amount of Opinel's and Dou-Douk's used. For some reason, French cutlery was very dominant in the market places over any other knife products. Douk-Douk's were available in different sizes, and carried for anything to slicing up some roasted lamb to settling ahold feud with someone from another clan of the Bedouin's. They could make the Hatfield's and McCoy's look like pikers when it came to holding a grudge.

I guess what I was thinking was, even the plain jane working knives that were designed to be used up back then, had some very good cutting ability. I was looking at my neighbor Tom's gas station knife, and it seems to be very very poor quality. Makes a Douk-Douk look like a high class knife. Makes a Case sodbuster look like a Kerry or Tony hand made. The only reason it cuts at all, is the serrations let you just saw through soft stuff. :eek:

One of those old shell handle Imperial Barlow's would put it to shame. They don't make cheap work knives like they used to. The Opinel's may have an Achilles heel or two, but they do cut well and they have a lot more character than the plastic stuff. The old work knives were like other old stuff, it was still very good serviceable stuff. I don't think there is anything like them now. Today we have the modern replaceable blade folding utility knives like one poster stated. But I still wonder at how Remington figured a 2 year life span of a pocket knife. That's a hard life!!!

When it comes to holding a grudge…

The Canadian novelist Robertson Davies visited Wales to get background for his upcoming book. He hired a car and driver.

They were driving through the Welsh mountains. Davies told the driver, “This is a nice road.”

The driver sounded bitter. “Yes. They made us build it for them. Then they wouldn’t pay us.”

Davies asked, “Who?”

His driver snarled, “The Romans.”
 
Part of that 2 yr lifespan will be lost knives. Pocket knives are the easiest to lose. Brings the average right down.

I bet most people got their moneys worth in the first 6-12 months. The second year was profit, & wondering about a replacement.
 
Carl, when we went to the knife show last year, I remember thinking long and hard about getting that original Remington boys knife. It was perfect, but I remember thinking, this is a boys knife, possibly their lower end piece, for what, almost 200 bucks! It was a great knife in great shape, but it was originally meant to be a disposable knife!

I think that the disposable knives of yesteryear, might have been better made in some respects than the knives meant to be cherished heirlooms today.
 
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