I wouldn't mind seeing the thread come back in some form or another. Maybe not quite a PIF, but closer to a pass around. Or a hybrid of some sort. It was a lot of fun, and I got to try out some things I wouldn't normally.
I agree that some more defined rules might help, but in the beginning, I think it was the vagueness of the rules that helped it grow. Of course, in the end, we couldn't seem to self regulate once there were so many users with different ideas of what was fair.
I believe every knife I posted and/or received was used. As a non-collector, I see no problem with a used knife if it's in serviceable condition. But I also understand not wanting the thread filled with beaters that no-one wants.
Agreed. Might be hard to regulate, but for a lot of us, it was how we viewed it anyway. I actually loved when things went back up as a 'catch-and-release' as it was always interesting to see where a knife that went through my hands landed, and what someone else thought of it. It was one of the things that kept me vested in the thread.
Agree whole heartedly. It's the owners item to pass along as they see fit, and set whatever terms and conditions they want.
I think a time limit is OK. But I might let something sit a bit longer than a month.
If that was in place when the thread started, I would not have been able to participate. There are lots of members here, in good standing, that aren't on paid memberships... But I don't have a problem with some sort of restriction. Possibly post count, length of time as a member, or some combination of both. The Year of Giveaways rules might be a good starting point.
These are obviously just my personal opinions. If someone decides to start a new thread it's really their playground, and their rules. And I have no personal problem with that. I always tried to stay within the sprit of the last thread, and if I participate in any new thread, I would try to stay within the spirit of it as well.
There were lots of good things happening in that thread. I got to try a few things, pass along a few things, and interact with members I might not have normally.
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I think I'm more in line with @danbot on this one. If you don't like an offering, it's on you to say so. We all SHOULD BE able to handle it like adults, and just move on. We should have all learned how to accept no for an answer as kids.
Additionally, asking a third party to approve all dealings puts a lot of pressure on that person to make both happy, as well as have an understanding of what every potential offering is worth. That said, I understand there may be a need for a thread moderator of some sort.
Again, all just my personal opinions. Take them as you may.
I agree that some more defined rules might help, but in the beginning, I think it was the vagueness of the rules that helped it grow. Of course, in the end, we couldn't seem to self regulate once there were so many users with different ideas of what was fair.
Things are going. Plans to maybe create some structure. @JupiterPaladin @sabre cat I do believe that the thread needs in essence a credo.
Like:
1 The thread is for putting in an unused knife and to take out an knife of equal or greater value to try out for fun
I believe every knife I posted and/or received was used. As a non-collector, I see no problem with a used knife if it's in serviceable condition. But I also understand not wanting the thread filled with beaters that no-one wants.
1.a Knives that are taken from the pool are meant to be kept or placed back in the pool but ultimately if its in the pool whomever is in possession of the knife can do as they please with it. No questions. This is a caveat to the person placing a knife of value into the pool, to not expect an act of kindness to be returned. This will prevent situations where several members grabbed a semi-high value knife and put back multiple items in the pot that no one wanted.
Agreed. Might be hard to regulate, but for a lot of us, it was how we viewed it anyway. I actually loved when things went back up as a 'catch-and-release' as it was always interesting to see where a knife that went through my hands landed, and what someone else thought of it. It was one of the things that kept me vested in the thread.
2 The owners of the knives ultimately dictate the terms and if the original owner wants to send out that knife to an individual
3 Acts of kindness like no return knife placed into the pool of knives to try have to be dictated
4 Offers of lesser value can be refused. Period.
Agree whole heartedly. It's the owners item to pass along as they see fit, and set whatever terms and conditions they want.
5. Items that sit for more than a month should be purged and the person putting those items in the pool have the option to replace those items or return the knife that was being tried out into the pool as opposed to keeping it.
I think a time limit is OK. But I might let something sit a bit longer than a month.
6. Should be open to paid forum members only in order to keep out the riff raff
If that was in place when the thread started, I would not have been able to participate. There are lots of members here, in good standing, that aren't on paid memberships... But I don't have a problem with some sort of restriction. Possibly post count, length of time as a member, or some combination of both. The Year of Giveaways rules might be a good starting point.
These are obviously just my personal opinions. If someone decides to start a new thread it's really their playground, and their rules. And I have no personal problem with that. I always tried to stay within the sprit of the last thread, and if I participate in any new thread, I would try to stay within the spirit of it as well.
So lots of good came of it though, I feel at least. Off the PIF thread I sent @Deinos a G5 metamorph, no strings attached to try out, @Markisbear was sent a kitchen knife and @Sharp & Fiery in Canada was sent a set of Rough Rider knives and @Neko2 still has a laptop coming to him whenever it can get reconfigured.
Lots of great forum members were met and lots of old friends like Monofletch remain vested so it's all good. I for one can't remember the stuff I pif but it includes multiple watches, Timex and Gshock mostly (I think 4 at least), a Landi EDC nib, endura, delica, the list goes on, I tried a bunch of knives that I put back into the pool and a few of my favorite edcs are a result of the thread including a sak pruner, metamorph 2, baby jess horn @Velitrius, and a Ripple 2 in Acuto which I need to edc more.
There were lots of good things happening in that thread. I got to try a few things, pass along a few things, and interact with members I might not have normally.
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And let's just say that the last keeper of the list knew exactly who was putting in bunk stuff of unequivocal value but he wasn't able to really have a say. A gatekeeper or arbitrator would take the pressure off of someone who wanted to channel check if an offer was fair or not. That gets the person in question off the hook from having to tell someone else that their pif whatever is bunk.
Bunk is bunk. Just tell it like it is. Then it's up to them to either put up something appropriate, or take their bunk and go home.
But, I agree there definitely should be someone that is given the authority to have the final say in any disputes.
I think I'm more in line with @danbot on this one. If you don't like an offering, it's on you to say so. We all SHOULD BE able to handle it like adults, and just move on. We should have all learned how to accept no for an answer as kids.
Additionally, asking a third party to approve all dealings puts a lot of pressure on that person to make both happy, as well as have an understanding of what every potential offering is worth. That said, I understand there may be a need for a thread moderator of some sort.
Again, all just my personal opinions. Take them as you may.