The knife-centric multitool

Joined
Jul 28, 2004
Messages
12
It's a struggle to choose between a multitool, a folder, both, etc, and want to carry around tools to get tasks done without carrying too much weight around.

I think a good number of people, especially on these forums, will always choose to carry a dedicated folder; unfortunately, multitools tend to compromise the knife for other tools.

There are two basic designs for multitools, the SAK and Leatherman.

The SAK is knife-centric but has not evolved, and as such features usually a small, difficult to open, non-locking blade of inferior steel. While some custom jobs and knives like the Victorinox rescue tool have changed that, the majority still use the traditional designs which are simply not that great of knives. Further, the handle is not ergonomic, lacking any sort of finger guard, grip texture on the top of the blade/handle intersection, and grip texture along the main body of the knife.

The Leatherman is a pliers-centric multitool of which there are many clones. The Letherman knives have evolved significantly and many are now locking blades with good steels and one-handed opening. However, due to the pliers-centric design most are only about half of the tool in height, and the handle ergonomics tend to be straight and the handle is either half-above or half-below the blade making for odd cutting at times. Some of the tool handles like the Charge are textured, but many are not.

Leatherman also makes knives more similar to the SAK design that suffer from the same problem the more evolved SAK designs like the rescue tool have-- the handle. Though the Leatherman's is more textured and has a bit of ergonomics to it, it still falls short of a traditional folder with something like G10 scales and a proper finger guard. Further, the design is unnecessarily thick, perhaps due to parts interchangeability to reduce manufacturing costs between the various models.

At some level I think any multitool is a compromise, yet I think it should be possible to produce a good knife-centric multitool. The latest models by Leatherman of their knife line are good, but simply do not compare to a proper Benchmade or Kershaw offering even on models without the tools. The Leatherman models without the tools are basically heavy, bulky lower-end folding knives.

The potential is there, and I think the design is there, but the implementation has so far been disappointing. It seems many choose to carry both a folder and multitool and I don't blame them. But I think with better offerings that don't compromise a modern quality folding knife as badly multitools could be more popular with some of the dedicated folder faithful than they are.

As for you guys who only carry a SAK with an oldschool blade as your only knife, well, I salute you, just watch your fingers ;)
 
Why is being dissatisfied with knives on multitools so hard to understand? Look at the number of people on bladeforums that carry dedicated folders vs. multitools. Why? The knives on multitools and ergonomics are sub-par.

Have you guys... never noticed this?
 
.....The SAK is knife-centric but has not evolved, and as such features usually a small, difficult to open, non-locking blade of inferior steel.
I have a dozen or so SAKs. None of the master blades are particularly small or difficult to open. Several of them have locking blades. The steel is fairly soft but takes a nice edge and is probably best for a blade that is likely to be abused, as it will not rust and it is easy to sharpen.

While some custom jobs and knives like the Victorinox rescue tool have changed that, the majority still use the traditional designs which are simply not that great of knives. Further, the handle is not ergonomic, lacking any sort of finger guard, grip texture on the top of the blade/handle intersection, and grip texture along the main body of the knife.
It is true that SAKs tend to use traditional designs, as do Case and Queen and various German pocket knives. Their continuing popularity probably indicates that they are doing something right. Most of my Wenger SAKs have locking blades and ergonomic handles, and while they are quite nice to use, they lack the popularity of the more conventional VICs, possibly because they are somewhat bulkier.

As for you guys who only carry a SAK with an oldschool blade as your only knife, well, I salute you, just watch your fingers ;)
I suppose I've carried knives with 'oldschool' blades for most of my adolescent and adult life, and many of them have been SAKs. Non-locking blades pose no particular hazard as long as one remembers that they are non-locking. It's no harder to remember that than it is that the metal handle of a cast iron skillet can get hot enough to burn one's hand.

I understand that you are certain that improvements in the design of multitools are possible and desirable. However, along with such advances, one can lose features which have proven to be convenient and popular. To some extent, the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it,' rule seems to apply. Meanwhile, the evolution of the Wenger SAKs (as well as the Leatherman plier-tools) looks promising.

I remain a traditionalist who is eager to try improved design multitools. However, most of the time, after trying them, the newer models end up in the knife drawer, because I find a more traditional model to work better for my needs. For example, the VIC Spartan and its little brother, the Tourist, work best for opening corked wine bottles. There is a specific reason for this which is not taken into account in the design of the newer Wengers (and some of the VICs), but this is not the place to elaborate.

L. Richard
 
I get what the O.P. is saying, but I don't feel the same frustration with SAKs and multitools in blade quality or ergos. I think that a multi or SAK with premier steel and ergonomic perfection would be very cost-prohibitive to make, and that the small potential gains in performance would not justify the huge increase in price.

Although I recognize that the knife blades on SAKs and multitools are not of the same quality of high end knives, they are certainly more than capable of handling 99% of cutting chores. I've never had an experience where I've said "Dang - my SAK/multitool won't cut this; if only I had another knife!"

As far as ergonomics, I think of SAKs and multitools as implements that you whip out to handle quick, simple tasks; you're done with them before they start getting uncomfortable (most of the time). For prolonged work, there are dedicated hand tools.
 
I cary a Wave.I know whay you said about the tool being in the way of the blade.That is why I retired my Gerber for the wave.Waves blade is on the bottom so the tool is out of the way.I carry a slippie for tradition sakes.I have to have a natural handle material,usually a stockman.It's there for the delicate work. It's there to satisfy my obsessive/compulive disorder I have with knives too..:D. I think the wave has enough quality to be a worker.
 
While I understand the sentiment, I disagree with the ultimate conclusion. I would probably buy a Sak made with premium steel, but I wonder if it's actual utility would be worth the cost. I own a Leatherman Charge ALX. It has a 154cm main blade. I still wonder if it was worth the 95+ dollars I paid for it over say a $55 Leatherman Wave. And I think I bought the ALX because I wanted the premium blade steel because of my experience with Benchmades in that steel. But I realize something now, that I get more or less the same utility out of my Vic Herc and Farmer, and got a ton of utility out of my Leatherman Supertool blades. They all sharpen up easily, cut very well, etc. It leads me to believe whether or not the market really exists. For enthusiasts and nuts like ourselves, surely people would buy it up. But at the end of the day we are talking about a tool for everyday folks mostly, and no one NEEDS S30V or 154cm or ZDP-189. Saks and traditional folder filled the void of the Everypersons tool, and they fill it well.
 
IMHO, "Multi-tools" are in and of themselves a compromise. The idea is to give and take features in order to make a multiple use tool that will handle most odds and ends that will come its way. A very Jack-of-all-trades approach, if you will. A plier-based tool is never going to be as "good" as an actual set of quality pliers. A knife based tool is never going to be as ergonomic as a stand-alone knife with a handle designed to hug the contours of one's hand.

Honestly, it is actually quite surprising that it took THIS long for tool companies to mesh a good knife blade with OHO with the rest of the tool based multies out there.

I carry a SAK pretty much every where I go. Does it feel as good in the hand as say my Spyderco Native? No, but it can do most other jobs that the Native cannot. I am more than willing for that tradeoff, and quite honestly I have never felt under-knifed with a SAK.
The one hand locking blades of the Leatherman Wave/Charge/Surge/etc as well as that of the Spyderench and Byrdrench seem comfortable enough for me to use for as extended of a peroid of time as I generally will use a knife of such quality for such chores as cutting twine, opening packages, and the like. For me, the only requirements that I have for a folding knife that goes in my pocket is that it takes a good edge that will not dull after the first couple of chores and has a reliable fit and finish (little wobble and a reliable lock or very stiff backspring). Everything else on the tool is more important in regards to my needs of function. Generally speaking, I can get along quite well with just the blade on a multi-tool for my cutting needs. The now popular OHO is just that much gravy:)
 
I feel the same way about the Wave, except for the compromised needle nose. It's every bit as good a a regular pair of needle nose. Leatherman turned it into a knife by making it a knife first tool, ie, you can have the blade open as soon as you pull it out.
I have never felt under knifed either when I have my SAK sodier. It is every bit indestructable as anything.And the steel is quality.
 
It's a struggle to choose between a multitool, a folder, both, etc, and want to carry around tools to get tasks done without carrying too much weight around.


The SAK is knife-centric but has not evolved, and as such features usually a small, difficult to open, non-locking blade of inferior steel.

I am a SAK-aholic who also likes and owns Leathermans (i own 8 of them) but if you want the best "utility" per ounce multi-tool get a Vic Swisschamp.
Victorinox is very conservative regarding not succumbing to the latest fad, when they do change its because one of the fads has turned out to be something that actually works (i.e. Foldout Leatherman style multitools and one handed openers).

Also the steel in a SAK is decidely not "inferior", it keeps an edge well and is very easy to sharpen.
I almost pity knife companies today trying to keep up with the latest "fashion" trends in super steels.
I occasionally succumb and buy one of the new supersteels but most of the time it turns out to be "much ado about nothing" not offering radically increased performance. And the increase in performance (if any) is not in proportion to all the accompanying hype.
Victorinox found a type of steel that works so why jump on the "steel of the month" bandwagon when what you use already does its job well?
If some radical paradigm shift occurs in steel composition/design/manufacture then i'm sure Victorinox will in its own time adopt it.

Until then stick with what works.
:)
 
This topic reminds me of an A.G. Russell that I discovered online only recently. It is in the traditional "scout" or "camp" slippie style, only made with premium materials and craftsmanship throughout. It retails for a little over $100.00. How many people who use a scout knife regularly will pay the premium price? I don't know but it certainly is much fewer than buy a Vic Soldier every year.

IMHO the market dictates. When the demand is there, the products follow. When an innovation happens with a product. That company excels and clones and varitations soon appear. So far, the average knife buyer seems content with "average" knives.
 
You guys make some good points-- once the steel is of a sufficient quality it isn't going to break or something (and the Victorinox steel is better than that), I suppose the only differences are if you want to use the knife as a prybar or go longer between sharpening it.

However, I'm just paranoid about not having a lockback or some handle grip... I've just cut myself too many times. A personal problem, perhaps :D

For example, the VIC Spartan and its little brother, the Tourist, work best for opening corked wine bottles.

Funny story: I read about the health benefits of red wine, so picked a cheap bottle up at Costco to try (I'm more of a beer guy usually). Well, it was corked. I had to have *some* multitool that had a corkscrew. Nope, none. I improvised and drilled it out with a power drill after numerous attempts to pull/pry it out, which unfortunately let cork get into the wine, so when I went to drink it I had to strain it through a coffee filter. The corkscrew, a surprisingly useful tool at times...

Carry 2---a small slim SAK and the large folder of your choice. Problem solved.

My latest multitool acquisition was a Leatherman e307x knife; basically, like a SAK design with a decent folder-style blade and a bit driver / bottle opener. Unfortunately, I lost it last night at the movie theater and it seems it's gone for good. (insert random bitching about the handle not protecting the blade tip and allowing the knife to come open too easily and rise out of the pocket)

Anyway, now I'm torn between a folder + small multitool (Leatherman Micra or P4 likely) or Charge XTi. I'll play with carrying both, but tool vs. knife is always such an impossible decision.

I also just slid into a ditch on a snowy mountain road on a hike today, and I have to say the saw blade on the Charge is looking more and more tempting to carry ;) Sometimes stuff happens and you need a tool you didn't see coming.

As far as ergonomics, I think of SAKs and multitools as implements that you whip out to handle quick, simple tasks; you're done with them before they start getting uncomfortable (most of the time). For prolonged work, there are dedicated hand tools.

This is true as well. For every cutting task I remember doing lately I suppose the blade of a Charge would suffice (mostly opening stuff or cutting plastics). The handle ergonomics aren't the best, but it's textured enough I don't think I'd lose my grip... so perhaps it's a comfort issue at that point as you say.

Or maybe I'll get Benchmade withdrawal again. So many tools, so few pockets...
 
The saws on the large, locking, SAKs are much longer than the ones on the leatherman. I have the Wave, but the saw on the Trekker is much longer.
 
Back
Top