The one layer SAK's.

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I love my executive.

Since July of 2018, I've been carrying the executive as my main EDC, and in truth its a 98% pocket knife. Like my old Case peanut and Victorinox classic, it does 98% of what I need a pocket knife for. Cuts twine, opens packages, whittle a bit, and can cut a sandwich in half if its not tooooo thick. But...that little three layer word pops up... sometimes its not enough. Like on for duty with a thick sandwich, slicing a nice fresh Italian or French bread, or a salami. Or a pesky tree branch at the edge of the parking pot where the very last parking space is and you can't open the car door more than halfway because of the branch.

I've always had a love of the 84mm SAK's, and the one layer like the bantam and waiter are soooo light in the pocket and slim, they almost disappear. And that finger thick tree branch got cut off easy with the old waiter that just happened to be in my pocket. My wife an I were on the way out to a shaded bluff that overlooks Lake Georgetown, and the parking lot by the little bakery was full. A loaf of their fresh baked French bread, some nice Jarlsburg these, and a light white wine was what were taking for our lunch. After squeezing out the car, the waiter was used to cut off the offending branch and getting back in the car was way easier after the shopping trip for our lunch.

The waiter, the bantam, make a great pocket knife for those few occasions when a 74mm is not quite up to the job. That afternoon, the 84mm was enough to slice up some very soft fresh bread, some cheese, and opening the wine. I've always had a very big and soft spot in my heart for the 84mm SAK's, and the recruit has been been a disposable mail to myself pocket knife for those vacations too far to drive and have to fly. I've found the 84mm blade to be enough for fishing and partying in Key West, dealing with bread and cheese in the Cotswolds in England, trout fishing in the Mammoth Lakes area of California, or even backpacking in the Smoky Mountains.

I can only wonder if the 84mm's are the real unsung hero's of the SAK world. I've found a waiter combined with my executive is a great dynamic duo.
 
My edc through most of 2020 was the 84mm tinker. It’s my 3rd one, the others given away or dropped overboard :confused:. I prefer small knives but the light shape of the 84mm disappears in the pocket at work or home in a way similarly sized knives do not. It handles nearly everything I need. It is the perfect size for me and every tool saw use in 2020.
 
I'm a long-time fan of the 84mm Tourist (basically a small Spartan). The same Tourist rode in my pocket when I got married in 2000 and during the births of each of our three kids. Due to the obvious sentimental value, I find myself carrying it less and less. Last year I picked up a Waiter. Love this thing ....... not much I can't do with this "maximum minimalist" gem.

Also, Santa just left an 84mm Victorinox Walker in my son's stocking. It's got a blade, combo bottle/can opener, saw, tweezers and toothpick.
 
So far I've only experienced one single layer SAK, the Florist and I like it a lot but the 84s are the bread and butter of my Victorinox carry. Either a Sportsman, Small Tinker, Evogrip 11, 14, and soon (this week) an 18 is truly an everyday RFP companion. I could make due with any one of them but over the years I've had fun trying out a variety, so why not mix 'em up. :thumbsup::thumbsup: Not once has any of them ever let me down. The 84s have become as much a part of me as my eyeglasses. I put one in my pocket first thing in the morning and don't like to be without. 91s are cool, alox is great but for me the humble 84mm is just right. One of these days (if the sun ever comes back :eek:) I'll have to get a group shot of those trusted companions. Hope this will do for now. :)

Executive - Florist - Sportsman
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As I've professed before in this forum, to me a knife should have the blade size and shape of a 84mm at least. I always have a rambler with the keys, but the blades of 58mm and even 74mm SAKs simply aren't up to the majority (**to me**) of the tasks I need a pocket knife to do. Those knives are great backup or provide scissors if the knife of the day doesn't have it. As I've said before, the 84mm SAKs have the best all-around size. To me, if only I could get a small climber or, even better, a small compact, that would be the perfect edc knife.
 
I liked my recruit alot. I got a bit to rough with the screw driver and now it has alot of wobble. I had a hiker so i went back to it. I really like it. I think for me the best sak would be a small tinker. It has all i would want in a small package. The one thing i like about my hiker is the saw. Its back spring adds some extra support for the screwdrivers without adding much thickness to it. Its a pretty solid sak.
 
I liked my recruit alot. I got a bit to rough with the screw driver and now it has alot of wobble. I had a hiker so i went back to it. I really like it. I think for me the best sak would be a small tinker. It has all i would want in a small package. The one thing i like about my hiker is the saw. Its back spring adds some extra support for the screwdrivers without adding much thickness to it. Its a pretty solid sak.

Mike, be very careful with the back mounted Phillips driver on the tinker and hiker. It doesn't like a lot of stress on rusty screws. I put a bit too much oomph into removing a rusty Phillips screw and afterward had some notable slack in the driver and the backside liner was bent out from the force. I had to finish the job using the old Sear's 4-way keychain screw driver I keep in my wallet. One solid piece of steel with nothing to give.

SAK tools are for light jobs and they are still just anchored in aluminum liners with one brass rivet. They won't stand up to heavier use like a small Leatherman.
 
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Mike, be very careful with the back mounted phillis driver on the tinker and hiker. It doesn't like a lot of stress on rusty screws. I put a bit too mu ch oomph into removing a rusty Phillips screw and afterward had some notable slack in the driver and the backside liner was bent out from the force. I had to finish the job using the old Sear's 4-way keychain screw driver I keep in my wallet. One solid piece of steel with nothing to give.

SAK tools are for light jobs and they are still just anchored in aluminum liners with one brass rivet. They won't stand up to heavier use like a small Leatherman.
Agreeded. The leathermans are a stronger. So far the hiker is doing well. I haven't pushed it to the limits i have the recruit. My squirt has done good with in its limits. When all else fails i have tools in my truck as well as at work. Love having a sak in my pocket. You can fix a lot of stuff with a sak or leatherman.
 
Mike, be very careful with the back mounted phillis driver on the tinker and hiker. It doesn't like a lot of stress on rusty screws. I put a bit too mu ch oomph into removing a rusty Phillips screw and afterward had some notable slack in the driver and the backside liner was bent out from the force. I had to finish the job using the old Sear's 4-way keychain screw driver I keep in my wallet. One solid piece of steel with nothing to give.

SAK tools are for light jobs and they are still just anchored in aluminum liners with one brass rivet. They won't stand up to heavier use like a small Leatherman.
The back Phillips is almost a useless tool imo. Its plus for me is in giving the knife a better feel in the hand than the corkscrew. The can opener tip is, on the whole, a better screwdriver. It can take some seriously force and the tip twists before the pin and liners are damaged.

I can see the back Phillips making a good fistload should one need to defend oneself.
 
The tools in the opener layer (i.e., can & bottle openers) are simply outstanding. I like compacts but their combo tool is not a complete replacement to the separate tools. They really handle pretty much any flathead or #2 Phillips screw out there and, as I recently found, it can even pull out Torx 25 screws if needed. Clearly it wasn't made to handle Torx screws, but with some care it undid 4 screws of a bed frame that I needed to move and for which I had forgotten to pack a Torx bit. SAK saved the day once again!
 
I also really like having a reamer/punch on my sak. They work great for a number of things and have saved the day a number of times for me.
 
The tools in the opener layer (i.e., can & bottle openers) are simply outstanding. I like compacts but their combo tool is not a complete replacement to the separate tools. They really handle pretty much any flathead or #2 Phillips screw out there and, as I recently found, it can even pull out Torx 25 screws if needed. Clearly it wasn't made to handle Torx screws, but with some care it undid 4 screws of a bed frame that I needed to move and for which I had forgotten to pack a Torx bit. SAK saved the day once again!

Yep this is the reason I can't do the combo tool. The can opener can also work on some Robertson's screws as well. Give me a Tinker/Spartan and Rambler any day over the Compact.
 
Yep this is the reason I can't do the combo tool. The can opener can also work on some Robertson's screws as well. Give me a Tinker/Spartan and Rambler any day over the Compact.

Same with me. In theory the Compact should be perfect for me but the combo tool doesn’t replace the can opener / bottle opener layer for me. The combo tool is better than nothing but I’ll stick with my 2 layers and up saks.
 
I've been carrying a Vic Alox Army 1, only need one blade most of the time and rarely need any accessory tools since I'm usually home with real tools. The blade is just the right length, haven't found a need for anything longer as yet, and certainly sharp enough for general daily cutting needs. The Alox grips are great, don't show scratches and provide plenty of non-slip grip.
 
Sometime back I started a thread on what I thought was the most efficient SAK with the least amount of tools(or something along those lines). I talked about adding some back tools to a Lumberjack/Walker, similar to what T tiguy7 did with his custom build. My first SAK was a Small Tinker, and it has served me well. But the SAK that has really hit home for me with the least amount of tools, having the most capability is a Camper, or Hiker if you really wanted a dedicated Phillips?(Without using the can opener as one) Sometimes the Camper may be just a bit large to truly disappear in a pocket.

I too like a saw, and I don’t really use scissors that much. So in the 84mm range a really versatile SAK to me would be something like this....

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This was a special run for SwissBianco, the Micro Farmer. Being Alox, it’s still really thin and disappears in the pocket. The difference between this and a Cadet is not much since the saw blade is a thinner layer. While I don’t use it much, they could put a reamer on the back side and that would add a bit of versatility to it. Make an 84mm version of the camper or hiker and you’d have a lot in a small package. Heck, a small Camper might just be the perfect SAK for me.
 
Sometime back I started a thread on what I thought was the most efficient SAK with the least amount of tools(or something along those lines). I talked about adding some back tools to a Lumberjack/Walker, similar to what T tiguy7 did with his custom build. My first SAK was a Small Tinker, and it has served me well. But the SAK that has really hit home for me with the least amount of tools, having the most capability is a Camper, or Hiker if you really wanted a dedicated Phillips?(Without using the can opener as one) Sometimes the Camper may be just a bit large to truly disappear in a pocket.

I too like a saw, and I don’t really use scissors that much. So in the 84mm range a really versatile SAK to me would be something like this....

37-D5-E2-B7-CD96-4-E43-80-DD-F063-E1-BA8-A58.jpg


This was a special run for SwissBianco, the Micro Farmer. Being Alox, it’s still really thin and disappears in the pocket. The difference between this and a Cadet is not much since the saw blade is a thinner layer. While I don’t use it much, they could put a reamer on the back side and that would add a bit of versatility to it. Make an 84mm version of the camper or hiker and you’d have a lot in a small package. Heck, a small Camper might just be the perfect SAK for me.
A small hiker would be my perfect sak. Like you said everything i would need in a smaller even easier to carry sak.
 
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