The science of knife throwing? Can anyone explain?

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Hi,

I was thinking of how the knife moves during it's flight from the thrower's hand to the target. Most movies show the thrower to hold the tip and throw. The knife spins and hits the target. What I wish to know is how does one control the knife's spin and just before hitting the target to stop spinning and move with the tip forward to strike the target. It's really amazing. Trying to figure this one out is beyond me. Can anyone offer some explaination?

Thanks
 
The knife does not stop spinning before reaching the target.

When you throw a knife, usually you will hold the knife in a hammer grip (this is by the handle) and keep your wrist stiff. This is to keep things consistant.

If you try this yourself, even with a large nail, or something, you will notice that it does not spin a whole lot.

Around 1/2 spin for maybe 10 ft. Depens on the knife and technique.

So within 10 ft, you want to hold the knife by the tip. I forget how the rest works, but something like:

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Ok, so this probably isn't accurate, but just to get the idea; 11-20 feet, you'll want to throw the knife by the handle (1 whole spin), 21-30 feet and you'll want to throw holding the tip again (1 1/2 rotations)

Someone else will post better info ;)
 
As Underage said, the knife does not stop spinning -- it just happens to be at the point of its spin where the point of the knife is out front when it hits the target. How you get this to just "happen" is the trick.

When you start learning how to throw, you should keep your wrist stiff and release the knife the same way every time for a consistant spin. Stand about 8 - 10 feet away if gripping the blade (1/2 spin), a couple of steps farther away if gripping the handle (full spin).

Watch how the knife hits the target. If it sticks the first time, you've got your distance. If it hits point up, you need to take a step farther away (to give the knife more time to rotate to the point first position.) If it hits point down, you need to step in closer (so the knife does not over-rotate.) Once you've found your distance, stand at the same spot every time you throw until you can stick the knife almost 100% of the time.

Once you've got this down, you can start varying the spin for different distances. Changing the way you hold the knife, changing your wrist angle, and "snapping" your wrist the way you do when you throw a baseball can all change the speed of the spin. If you're closer than your "natural" distance, you want a faster spin, to get the point out in front more quickly. If your farther away, you want to slow down the spin to keep the point from getting out in front until the knife is at the target.

If you're so far away you can't slow the spin down enough, switch from a blade grip to a handle grip (or a handle grip to a blade grip) and add another 1/2 spin.

Most importantly, stay safe and have fun!
 
I know what you mean Bill, in the movies the knife flies point first like a dart. Unfortunately this only happens in Hollywood, something to do with wires and special effects. Brett and Underage are right on with thier real world descriptions.
 
The science of?

Pure ballistics, of course. :)

As underaged said, and I think I'm the fifth person to repeat this, he's correct that the knife does not stop rotating. Any object when thrown would prefer, from the torque of release, to start rotating around its center of balance.

All objects, when spinning, turn around their center of balance. Your center of balance is located between the hips, about a few inches below the navel: check out a diver or gymnast, and you'll see this is how it's done. No matter how many flips, twists, or twirls a gymnast or diver does, the center of balance will always move in a perfect ballistic arc.

When throwing the knife, its rotating will vary by its center of gravity. A balanced blade will travel end-over-end like a wheel--right in, dropping of course with gravity (over distance). An unbalanced knife will travel in a tumbling fashion--you can see it if you watch it from the side.

There is a specific ratio for calculating the number of spins a knife will take if allowed to tumble: on average, it's along the lines of "three turns every ten feet, or one full turn every three feet." More or less, the perimeter of the blade. Keep that in mind, because it means every blade shape/length means it's a unique situation.

Now here's where Mr. Schaller's explanation plugs right in. Knowing that part about "x spins for every y feet," you need to work this out for each blade you have. As he said, you'll need to adjust your distance from the target for each type of knife--usually just a little bit. Exactly as he said, watch how it hits the target to determine whether you should move up or move back.

All you're doing in that capacity is adjusting the distance from your hand to the target so you get exactly the number of spins you need to stick it point first.

Now, as underaged added, this if for throwing by the handle. If you have a knife that its either particularly short or long, you may not want to move up or back 18"--so you can try throwing it by the blade. That cuts a half-spin out of the equation that can help you.

There are indeed zero spin throwing techniques for overhand, sidearm, and underhand--these fly like a dart into the target. In this case, your distance is not as important: you only need to adjust for ballistic drop by aiming a little higher and maybe throwing a little harder.

However, these knives usually need a lot of weight, or have some weight added to them. And the throwing technique is different--not more difficult, just not intuitive. This is never the kind depicted in the movies, of course. A rotating throw is painfully difficult to predict on a movie set, and for safety's sake, it's always easier to show the actor throw ("drop on the floor") a prop knife, and then cut to a guided knife on a wire traveling straight.

I think that's about all the physics there is. Let me know if you want more detail.
 
Hi Guys,

Thanks so much for the detailed explaination. Did anyone of you see the movie House of Flying Daggers? The knife moved as I described, spinning and just before the target it stops spinning with the blade in front, then it hits the target right on.
 
BillL said:
Hi Guys,

Thanks so much for the detailed explaination. Did anyone of you see the movie House of Flying Daggers? The knife moved as I described, spinning and just before the target it stops spinning with the blade in front, then it hits the target right on.

Which is physically impossible with a piece of metal shaped like the ones in the movie.
 
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