The Truth about gun magazine test reports:

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Instruction From The Editor To The Journalist:

Frangible Arms just bought a four page color ad in our next issue.
They sent us their latest offering, the CQB MK-V Tactical Destroyer.
I told Fred to take it out to the range to test. He'll have the data for you tomorrow.


Feedback From Technician Fred:

The pistol is a crude copy of the World War II Japanese Nambu type
14 pistol, except it's made from unfinished zinc castings. The grips
are pressed cardboard. The barrel is unrifled pipe. There are file
marks all over the gun, inside and out.

Only 10 rounds of 8mm ammunition were supplied. Based on previous
experience with a genuine Nambu, I set up a target two feet down
range.
I managed to cram four rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. I
taped the magazine in place, bolted the pistol into a machine rest, got behind
a barricade, and pulled the trigger with 20 feet of 550 cord.

I was unable to measure the trigger pull because my fish scale tops out at 32
pounds. On the third try, the pistol fired. From outline of the holes,
I think the barrel, frame, magazine, trigger and recoil spring blew through the
target.
The remaining parts scattered over the landscape.

I sent the machine rest back to the factory to see if they can fix it, and we need to replace the shooting bench for the nice people who
own the range. I'll be off for the rest of the day. My ears are still
ringing. I need a drink.


Article Produced By The Journalist:

The CQB MK-V Tactical Destroyer is arguably the deadliest pistol in
the world. Based on a combat proven military design, but constructed
almost entirely of space age alloy, it features a remarkable barrel
design engineered to produce a cone of fire, a feature much valued by
Special Forces world wide. The Destroyer shows clear evidence of
extensive hand fitting. The weapon disassembles rapidly without tools. At a
reasonable combat distance, I put five holes in the target faster
than I would have thought possible. This is the pistol to have if you want to end a gunfight at all costs. The gun is a keeper, and I find myself unable
to send it back.

Dave Rishar should appreciate this.:D
 
ROTFLOL

Excellent!: next time warn me so I can strap myself down before reading.

n2s :D :D :D
 
Probably a Jennings, or any from the Golden Triangle out of California in the good old days... They were all related. Family.


munk
 
If they get half a chance, most kids are above average.

I don't know where 'gunmagazineville' is, but it can't be far from the neighborhood where: "My son was honor student of the month at _______" the common bumper sticker.


munk
 
I'll keep that in mind as I read yet another "Fitz Special" review every month for the next 20 years. As many S&W reviews as there are each month, thier engineers gotta be Superman clones, cranking out new models every week.

Gun rags, just that. Too bad the paper is too slick to absorb Hoppe's #9.

So endeth the rant!
DaddyDett
 
Gun tests magazine is the opposite extreme.

They evaluate one off the shelf example, as if that tells us any more about the truth than one special example from the factory to a gunwriter. They act as if their tests are somehow more "objective", because they don't take advertizing.

Tom

"Life IS pain, higness, Anyone who tells you differently is selling something."
Dread Pirate Roberts
 
The problem with Gun Tests is sampling. Like Consumer Reports, they don't have the resources to test every model with several sample comparisons. Also, the criteria for usefulness, good or bad, is debatable. Case in point:
I bought a Dodge Dakota Two wheel drive Pick Up with limited slip and a sitck. I loved that truck. That year Consumer reports reccomended the truck."Best Buy" They said. Next year, because of all the 'tranny problems' , it got a bad mark for maintenance and was into the 'no buy' category. They determined this by giving equal weight to complaints of the truck-like clunky and bumpy transmission to real problems, like actual engine failure. "I bought a truck and its transmission is very strong and acts like a truck transmission, it jerks and clunks into gear, not a luxuiry car; waa waaa waaa. " Consumers actually complained that the strong transimission was jerky in the gates and this was a flaw? It had a great tranny. Last for years. But enough people whined about the unsettling 'discomfort' of what must have been nano seconds of insecurity before the gears engaged successfully with each other and joined positively- clunked. Couldn't bear the clunk. It was too much, Meant something must be wrong.

In other words, if everything is equal, an ashtray to a drive line, you can't review the product. And if you can't get enough samples to be statiscially relevant, you can't review the product. If you don't ask the right questions, you are illrelevant.
You have to know the product and the field to be able to ask the right questions and initiate the proper tests.

That requires value judgement.

munk
 
munk said:
Probably a Jennings, or any from the Golden Triangle out of California in the good old days... They were all related. Garbage.

Fixed that post for you.

Good guess, by the way.
 
Now Dave, you can't add to my posts.....
Wasn't there a couple good guns to come out of there? Irwindale .....automag

Frontline did a hit piece on them. I agreed with Frontline about some of the bad things they found out, but I also saw how they twisted events to meet their preconcieved reality. Lost respect for Frontline from that day forward, and it has never returned.


munk
 
munk said:
Now Dave, you can't add to my posts.....
Wasn't there a couple good guns to come out of there? Irwindale .....automag
munk


I had an AutoMag 22 Mag. What POS outta the box and the .380 wasn't any better. You better hit whatever you were aiming at with the 1st shot as it would jam when trying to eject. Yes, people had good luck with them after sending them back to be tuned, but that is just stupid.

I replaced it with the ugliest .22 Mag ever, the Grendel P-30, but it never malfunctioned in any way. Darn thing was ugly as sin, but went bang 30 times in a row every time.

Now have I mentioned the 6' muzzle flash at night from a .22 mag pistol? After 30 rounds you can't see anything.
 

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munk said:
Probably a Jennings, or any from the Golden Triangle out of California in the good old days... They were all related. Family.


munk

Jennings dont blow up. They just fail to feed, fail to eject, are virtualy impossible to clean, and are extreemly inaccurate. :D

Quite the bargain! We only payed $20 for it!
 
I remember the Grendels...

You know, not every one, nor every or most engineers can make a firearm successfully; if you think about it, the industry has a long history of bankrupcty and failure. Not unlike the auto industry. You almost need a mixture of skill, decent prodect at fair price, luck, and or the Blessings from God to make a firearms line work today.

Winchester....well, you got saved by a miracle once, over a hundred years ago, maybe it'll happen again.


munk
 
mr.trooper said:
Jennings dont blow up. They just fail to feed, fail to eject, are virtualy impossible to clean, and are extreemly inaccurate. :D

Quite the bargain! We only payed $20 for it!

This one never exploded either; however, it had a distressing tendency to field strip itself while being fired. It was actually kind of interesting. Still garbage, though.

I paid more than $20 for it unfortunately. The difference, though, was probably made up for in saved ammunition costs, as I was understandably reluctant to shoot it at all after this had happened a few times.

I think that I still have it (or most of it, anyway) laying around somewhere. Hopefully not.
 
I don't much look at gun or knife magazines anymore, all hype and salesmanship. I've mentioned this before, the one magazine I do read, and recommend, is "Backwoodsman Magazine". Go to their website http://www.backwoodsmanmag.com/ , look over at the left side of the page and click on current issue. Browse through that list of articles and you'll see why it's not only my favorite read, but also a good source of ideas.

Sarge
 
Pretty nice, thanks for the link.

Hey here's an article for Norm and his Crow knife -
A Way to Fix a Bent Knife by Charlie Fox..
At times remaking a knife is the best solution.
 
If I understand Norm's knife correctly, only the spine is wavy, the edge is straight enough?



munk
 
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