Today I cheated. (Laser cutting)

kuraki

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Work was slow today so I fired up the laser and cut myself some 1095 blanks on our Bystronic 6kw Fiber laser. I thought some of you might find it interesting so I took some video.

Many of these are destined to be 3d milled, a few will be ground out by hand at home. Right now they're all in the furnace being annealed.

About halfway through or so I stick my phone inside the machine so you can see without the tint. Fiber lasers generate light at a close to infrared wavelength and need to be filtered for eye safety.

[video=youtube_share;Qncji8mi_dg]http://youtu.be/Qncji8mi_dg[/video]
 
Very cool.
I keep trying to get my partner to fit a tattoo gun to his table. We could make more money permanently altering dumbass kids bodies than we make cutting steel.
Btw, I remember when an 'oxy torch following a pattern on a pantograph arm was thought to be hi-tech.
 
Work was slow today so I fired up the laser and cut myself some 1095 blanks on our Bystronic 6kw Fiber laser. I thought some of you might find it interesting so I took some video.

Many of these are destined to be 3d milled, a few will be ground out by hand at home. Right now they're all in the furnace being annealed.

About halfway through or so I stick my phone inside the machine so you can see without the tint. Fiber lasers generate light at a close to infrared wavelength and need to be filtered for eye safety.

[video=youtube_share;Qncji8mi_dg]http://youtu.be/Qncji8mi_dg[/video]

I don't think it is "cheating" to use a sophisticated laser for cutting out a blade. When I look at a custom made knife I don't wonder how the steel was cut out or what technique was used to grind the bevels...I just look at the shape, finish, and overall beauty of the knife. After that I want to know which steel it was made from and what is the Rockwell hardness. For me personally the only thing that turns me off about a knife is when I see a stack of identical knives because it means that knife is not "one of a kind" but rather "manufactured". I realize of course that a good design will sell well for a knife maker and some makers rely on knives for an income. I actually feel sorry for them because they are dependent on sales to live so I would never criticize them for it. Unless you are willing to mine ore and make your own steel to start then you use modern technology to some extent for your knives. I even have it easier because I make knives by stock reduction and never forge my own blades but I know my limitations and make the best knives that I can. That laser cutting machine is very cool and I would use it a heartbeat if I could just so I didn't have to use a band saw or angle grinder. Please post some photos of a finished knife. Larry

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I get what you're saying Larry. I only call it "cheating" because it's something most people don't have access to.

One of my favorite things about working where I do is the company's willingness to allow employees to do government work if the resource is free. We consider it a fringe benefit. So I take advantage of it when I can, whether it's knifemaking, gunsmithing, or building contraptions and attachments for tractors and skidsteers. (It's also nice to buy material at our company's cost, or better yet, like this 1095 that is leftover from a contract, for scrap price :D )
 
I don't have access to, but I gladly pay for the privilege :D Most of my stainless kitchen knives are profiled by a laser machine, then all is done by me, I don't consider it cheating at all !!!


Pablo
 
I don't have access to, but I gladly pay for the privilege :D Most of my stainless kitchen knives are profiled by a laser machine, then all is done by me, I don't consider it cheating at all !!!


Pablo

Dudes it definitely ain't cheating--I feel that a maker should us the best tools available to him to produce the best version of the knife he is making--I've made a few knives on a dremel 1x30 belt sander, but I definitely don't think I'm cheating using my AMK or NorthRidge tools 2x72.
 
Next step, programming. Here is the simulation of machining the fixture plate that will hold my blanks while they're machined, and then the simulation of the machining of those blanks. Blanks will be located with precision dowel pins from side to side to keep things in line.

[video=youtube_share;YKdD_Y02RYU]http://youtu.be/YKdD_Y02RYU[/video]
 
Very nice , thanks !! What time does it take to set up the machine for cutting?. Do you temper the blanks after cuttinG ?
 
I'm working on that right now. Taking me about an hour to get tools set. Blanks are annealed at 15 RC and I will do heat treat and temper after machining. Right now they are being flattened on the surface grinder.
 
Laser cut is no more cheating than using S35VN would be. Both make use of modern technology, that's all. (Now, the "machine milled" part, that might be cheating)
 
Laser cut is no more cheating than using S35VN would be. Both make use of modern technology, that's all. (Now, the "machine milled" part, that might be cheating)

:p


Anyway, here's how my day went after programming. First, I blasted all the scale off the annealed blanks, then took them to the surface grinder to get them flat and parallel. If for no other reason than to make the machining easier. They all cleaned up after taking .010" so nothing warped too bad.
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For anyone who hasn't used a surface grinder before, it will turn this:
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Into this, not just shiny, but flat and parallel <.001".
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Then I had to machine the blank holding fixture out of some aluminum plate:
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Other side:
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Fits good.
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In process
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Bevels done. Finish came out great. I used a 5/8" inserted ball mill and a .003" stepover, 3000 RPM at 45 IPM. For those not into machining, basically I milled a line, every .003", so for a bevel that's .690" tall, it takes 230 passes. 5" blade length, each pass takes 3.75 seconds...you get the idea.
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Zipped off the work holding tab. At this point I realized I still hadn't cleaned up the entire profile, and that it had to be done after this operation, so I added another clamp bolt, things still got a little chattery.
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And here's each step of the process.
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Close up of the machined finish. This is smooth to the touch. It will not take much hand work to clean up nicely.
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I did screw up somehow. In my models, the web thickness I leave at the edge is .030". Somehow I screwed up with my offsets and this one finished machined blank has a .090" edge. :thumbdn: I'll probably save that one until the very end and try to fix it. Easy enough to adjust for the others now.
 
I wonder why most of the CNC fixtures I see for milling knives are flat and the bevel is done with ball mills at an excruciating low speed, why not use a tilted fixture and a lot less passes with a face mill... You can even use round corner inserts for the ricasso area.


Pablo
 
I wonder why most of the CNC fixtures I see for milling knives are flat and the bevel is done with ball mills at an excruciating low speed, why not use a tilted fixture and a lot less passes with a face mill... You can even use round corner inserts for the ricasso area.


Pablo


It's a good question, and a complex answer. The biggest reason is that tilting the fixture makes the fixture much more complex to build. It's already a losing proposition unless you're making 100s of knives. I'm only doing this because I can, and I'm a machinist, not because it's cost effective. You would either need fixtures of a mirror image, or an adjustable fixture. Even if the fixture isn't incredibly complex, it gets harder to locate your workpiece accurately when you start moving it out of orientation in the XY plane.

The second reason is chatter. Taking a large swipe with a face mill on a relatively thin section of material that's not constrained very well will inevitably chatter. The ball mill is programmed so that it takes a consistent chip load every pass. A consistently small one that doesn't exceed the workholding capability of the fixture or the rigidity of the workpiece.

Last, while one could possibly spend the time developing a complex fixture that held the part in multiple positions to get the bevels made more quickly, the other features of the knife need to be in the XY plane, and it will require even more setups to accomplish those. Such as the outside profile, holes, etc. When it's all programmed into the XY plane, I can hit the green button and go do something else while the machine is running with a very very low risk of machine crash. To do it the other way, with 2-3 minute cycles between each operation, I would need to stand at the machine and tend it.

The program I made I ran straight from FeatureCAM with no optimization at the machine (ie, there's some air cutting going on). I also programmed it at very low engagements to reduce the risk of tool breakage. It's a very stable program the way it currently is, even if not the most efficient. It has a 64 minute run time, and in that time, it's machining the primary bevel on both sides, the false edge cut, the entire outside profile of the blade, and the thumb serrations before coming back and milling off the workholding tab.

A rough finished knife every hour and all I have to do is load parts and hit go? I can heat treat the blades as they come out of the machine, or run the surface grinder, etc etc. Optimizing the mill program, or spending more time/resources on a fixture to reduce machining time, just doesn't pay off.
 
I wonder why most of the CNC fixtures I see for milling knives are flat and the bevel is done with ball mills at an excruciating low speed, why not use a tilted fixture and a lot less passes with a face mill... You can even use round corner inserts for the ricasso area.

Cant speak for anyone else.
I would rather program the machine to do something than build a specialist fixture. Especially so with low number products.
Plus, I have buckets of ballmill & endmills laying around, but just a few facemills.
 
It is never cheating to use modern manufacturing techniques to make something.
Hell a lot of things that go into accurate rifles came about as "modern manufacturing" but actually allow for a better product.
I see the same in knives.
A potentially better knife at a cost that wont leave people in the poor house.

and as always good work and I am jealous that I don't have a shop to help me in my creative endeavors.
 
The problem with making a fixture to hold the blade on an angle is the compound angle nature of most blades. You could certainly do a straight blade that way. You could accomplish it on a 5 axis, but that would make you even more of a "cheater".

Kuraki, good to see you got the sweep feature figured out. Did you happen to take any surface roughness tests straight out of the machine?
 
I did not. I'll see if I can dig up the profilometer. I'm guessing it'll read 125 even though it feels 62.

Thanks for your tip on modeling the geometry. I think the method I was using before is what caused my issues.
 
Some WIP pics of the 5.5" camp blade that was in the laser nest. Needs to be finished, hopefully this week but I also need a new roof so...we'll see. This is being hand ground.

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