Tomahawk for camping/ hiking/ hunting?

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Hello! This is my first post here, though I've been on the forums in general for a while now. I'm not looking for information on a specific model, just opinions on functionality. We're moving very close to Maine this summer, and I would like to start camping more. Hiking and such as well. What I'm looking to know is what kind of equipment would be ideal for taking on camping/hiking/hunting trips. Mostly camping and hiking, though. At the moment, it seems to me that the best possible package would be a smaller fixed for delicate work, a multitool for odd and ends, and a larger tool for chopping and such. Would this be correct thinking? As for a larger tool, I thought that this would either be a larger knife, or something like a tomahawk. Why a tomahawk? It just seems a logical tool. It will split wood, can in extreme situations be used to dig (with a spike on the end), used to drive tent stakes, and other general camp chores, and you have the other fixed for smaller chores. Am I full of the proverbial crap? PLEASE feel free to set me straight. If not a tomahawk, then what tool? How large is too large to be practical for extended camping? Thanks, in advance, for your time!

Sincerely,
Anthony
 
Your thinking and the theory behind it is fine...but...

...in all my years hiking and backpacking from Maine to the White Mountains/Presidential Range to the Adirondacks and Catskills I never once needed a 'hawk or ax. (Truth be told, most areas will probably have restrictions on what you can do with one anyway, unless you really did somehow find yourself in a true survival situation.)

I like 'hawks and axes as much as the next guy but the truth is that you'll probably rarely need more than a Swiss Army knife or a good small fixed blade.
 
I have a couple hawks by Two Hawks that I really like ( www.2hawks.net ). As I recall, the Longhunter weighs under 20 oz. (there's an older thread in the Axe & Hawk Forum with exact weights). It will do everything from butchering game to pounding tent stakes.

Another good option is the Gransfors Bruks Mini Belt Hatchet ( www.gransfors.com ). I believe mine weighs around 13 oz. with sheath. I compared it with a Joe Olson utility/hunter (forged 52100) that has a roughly 5+ inch blade and the Mini was several ounces lighter overall. [Part of the reason is an exceptionally sturdy and well-made sheath on the Olson.]

As noted above, the hawk or mini hatchet are extra weight if you are in conditions where you don't expect to do much chopping. For ultra-light packing on established trails I'll try to carry just a SAK Rucksack (hard to do when you're a knife enthusiast!). But if you believe you'll be chopping a lot or are far enough out in the bush to be concerned about having survival equipment, the hawk/hatchet are handy.

Another good option is a khukuri of modest size. I've got a few HIs and a CS that perform pretty well in the bush.
 
I carry one alot, but it doesnt get used much, it seems my battle rat gets more "action" than my hawk, but you never know.....
 
As for hiking. . .

The only things I ever do with any frequency with a blade of any type are opening packages, starting a fire, and cutting first aid dressings to size. Sometimes even my swiss army knife is overkill, and I often go for for a signle blade Gerber LST.

I mean, really, what keavy cutting do you need? All your gear is already on your back.

Scott
 
Well, thanks gentlemen! This is exactly the kind of advice that I needed! As they say, never go to a poor man to learn to be rich, and never go to a man in the city to tell you about country life. I've learned that I'm going to be getting to go into Quebec soon, on a neat little camping trip, really cool, but nothing heavy. I don't want to have a lot of useless gear with me, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks for all the opinions- it seems that the good ole SAK wins out again. Groovy- I like simple answers. Thanks, again!

Sincerely,
Anthony

Edited to add that: I think the point of my original question was to find out, if the situation was right for it, is a Tomahawk an apropriate tool for surviving in the great outdoors, or is a larger knife better for the task (that is, more versitile)?
 
SpyderJon :

is a Tomahawk an apropriate tool for surviving in the great outdoors, or is a larger knife better for the task

A quality hatchet or small axe is a generally directly better tool unless you want to throw the tomahawk. The axe will have better cutting and chopping ability, with better edge retention, handle ergonomics and security. Large knives are generally better at brush work, and finer cutting, and can hold their own penetration wise when chopping on small to medium sized wood (<4-6"), compared to a quality hatchet. The hatchet however will be more fluid in the wood, and pulls ahead very readily as the wood gets larger. The hatchet also makes a much better wood spitting and hammer, but the knife has a much more versatile point.

-Cliff
 
Hi Anthony

Your choices make sense. However, you might want to think about what you are doing in the bush and tailor your tools to match. There are two kinds of things:

1) Things you do every day (e.g. making kindling, limbing camp sites, pounding tent pegs, cutting sausage, picking out a splinter, chopping firewood..)

2) Things you do not do often (e.g. field-dressing a moose, building a fish drying rack, making an emergency shelter, chopping into the heart of a dead tree during a rainstorm to get dry firewood...)

IMHO a small-medium sized (3" to 5" blade) knife and a leatherman can do a pretty good job on most of the "regular" everyday chores and should *always* be brought with you. Category 2 stuff is a bit more tricky. If you are going hunting, then it makes sense to have more specialized tools such as a dedicated skinning knife, small axe/hatchet. If you are camping out of the back of a car or truck, then you have the luxury of bringing everything, even if you don't really need it. If you are on a 3 day hiking trip in the desert, then perhaps a small shovel would be a more useful tool to bring along in lieu of a hatchet/hawk. If you are on a nature trail walk, you probably don't want to bring a 36" felling axe and a big swede saw, but if you are planning a two week sojurn in boreal forest, then those would be essential tools.

I work in several ecotypes (boreal forest, tundra, prairie, desert, coastal cedar/hemlock) and have worked to make my cruiser vest a fairly effecient survival, as well as work, tool. The biggest things that govern my load-out are 1) season and 2) access. I don't generally carry an axe if I am working within walking distance of the truck (though there is survival gear in the truck). However, if it is November in Dease Lake, with wet snow, the axe comes along if Igo out of sight of the vehicle... If I am working from helicopter, I carry more, since there is an increased chance of an impromptu camp-out. So, again, along comes the axe...

That being said, I now have a little Wetterling 12" hafted hatchet that lives 24-7 in my cruiser vest. I have found that it seems to work all out of proportion to its size and I don't really know it is there.

OK, so I went a bit off-topic. I have not used a hawk for anything other that play, I have tended to use small quality hatchets and light bush axes most of the time. I would think that a properly set up hawk, in some ways, would bridge the niche between a small 12-13" hafted bag axe and an arms length hafted bush axe.

A heavy bush knife/kukri can work in lieu of a small hatchet for many things, including light chopping and whatnot. I cannot make my kukri outperform the hatchet in this regard, however. And, when it comes to chopping into the dry heart of a tree, a hatchet or axe *definitely* works better.

If you are envisioning a lot of light chopping, brush clearing etc, then the knife makes more sense. For heavy, resistant targets (trees, thick branches, dry thin branches), axes/hatchets work well as they have the mass and inertia to chop through. For lighter, flexible targest (devils club, willows, brush ) a longish knife works better, as it is the velocity+sharpness that cuts in this case.

Here is what *I* think you should do. Buy a nice hawk and go with your leatherman/small knife combo. Worst case you go "Darn, I shold have gone with an axe" and you get to keep the hawk for throwing ;-) The cost is not, great, unless you go with a custom or ATC product.

Clinton
 
I have been considering carrying a tomahawk as an emergency chopper myself. It seems to me a hatchet/tomahawk gives the most chopping ability for its weight and size over the kukri or other big knives or knife like(1/4 inch thick)hatchets.It is also a better splitter and hammer.I want something that can chop and split dry wood for a fire or shelter in a hurry and that can chop thru ice if needs be for water or thru frozen wood. It needs to be relatively indestructable and sharpenable and repairable in the field.I like the GransforsBruks hatchets but wonder if their fine edge can take the abuse they would get and if any hatchet's handle would take the abuse since they are too hard to replace in the field. That is where I think a tomahawk might have an advantage over the hatchet in that the handle is much easier to replace in the field and is longer if you want it to be and can be carried separate from the head. I have also been thinking about using a Gerber hatchet since it has a synthetic handle that is supposed to be really tough but the small Gerber axe I use in my yard has a couple of dings in the edge where I hit some old fence wire and it makes me wonder if its edge would hold up to that kind of use. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
m
 
>When backpacking, with minimal cutting duties, the smallest SAK I own, which has a can opener. There will be almost no wood cutting, and only possibly food wrappers or trouts will need cutting. Weight and bulk are critical concerns, and less is more, for me.

>When hiking, any SAK I grab, plus a Sebenza. Wt. & blk are less important than the fun-factor.

>When hunting in the Sierra foothills(or even on top), I carry a tomahawk, sebenza and SAK, in addition to firearms, & etc. The 'hawk splits wood for fires, chops up game, and "saves" rough use on my other knives. I find myself reluctant to baton my Sebenza thru wood in order to split it! imagine that :) I bring the hawk cause I know that I will want it, and will miss the utility of it if it is left at home.

The hawk only comes along if hunting, or light wood cutting will be encountered. I have split a few 5 gallon buckets of fine kindling with mine, which helped me develope a feel for what I could do with it. What it will do to dismember game animals, I already know.

So, in short, if you don't have to walk very far, bring a variety of stuff and try it out(making a mental note of what you liked for what conditions). You only need to get picky what you bring if you have to walk "a long distance" (only your legs know what "a long distance" means.)

Cheers
 
Originally posted by Blues
unless you really did somehow find yourself in a true survival situation.)


That's where the Granfors Bruks Mini hatchet comes in. The longer and further you hike, the more insurance you should carry IMHO. 99.999% of time I don't need more than a good folder or a small fixed blade like Blues suggests but for only 12 oz the Mini is big insurance. I tend to bushwhack off the beaten trail and go far enough to be really gone at times. This in on a dayhike where I don't carry a sleeping bag or a tent. It can be used as a fairly good hammer as well.

Get way out there and get yourself wet and cold for some reason and all the wood is soaked, the Mini hatchet may be your best friend. You just need to ask yourself if it is worth carrying it's extra weight if you're not going to be using it much. I pair mine with a folder or a 3 to 4" FB most of the time.

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Exactly. Like my good friend, BoyNhisDog, I consider my GB Mini an excellent compromise on weight and performance. Light enough to take for the "just in case" factor.
 
m :

I like the GransforsBruks hatchets but wonder if their fine edge can take the abuse they would get

They are ground for near optimal cutting ability, and could handle all the above tasks easily. A slight secondary bevel would be all that would be required if greater edge toughness was desired. For truely edge heavy contacts like digging you need a profile that is far removed from what cuts well and you might as well get a much cheaper hatchet.

.. and if any hatchet's handle would take the abuse since they are too hard to replace in the field.

Most quality handles are very difficult to break unless abused. If subjected to heavy contacts they will however fracture quite readily, so care needs to be taken to avoid hitting the handle when limbing or similar. If this can't be avoided you will need a solid steel handle, or one that is easily replaced as you noted.

I have also been thinking about using a Gerber hatchet ...

The steel is those is usually quite soft, however carry a file and you will be fine. The cutting ability will be significantly lower than the GB. The synthetic handle will be far tougher in regards to impacts, but still readily broken if such contacts are frequent.

-Cliff
 
Thanks for your thoughts on the matter Cliff. If you have time I would like to know what design you think provides the most chopping and splitting power for the weight? Do you think a hatchet handle gets injured in the act of splitting firewood and do you think it is likely to get damaged beyond usability by a freezing,tired,possibly injured hiker or hunter trying to get a fire going or a shelter up in a hurry? If anyone else has ideas on the subject that would be appreciated also.
 
m :

... what design you think provides the most chopping and splitting power for the weight?

A short head (distance from edge to handle), narrow face (edge length), deep primary hollow and wide convex edge will give the maximim penetration on hard to cut wood* with minimal binding. The small Gransfors Pack axe is a decent example. An optimal splitter has a longer head, much more narrow face, and a full convex grind, the common splitting mauls. In general, a true splitting profile is only needed for very large wood which is also knotty, odd in shape, or well seasoned.

I just finished splitting a couple of hundred pieces of wood this weekend, the majority of it was done with a few small blades (hatchet, khukuri, and a few knives), and the larger bits were done with an Estwing 3/4 size axe, which actually has the worse possible splitting profile. None of it was over eight inches in width, small wood. For the most part, small woods which you can easily fell, lift and move will be easily split with a decent hatchet of a makeshift mallet and long blade.

The most important part of splitting is to know how to deal with knots. Examine the knot flow and avoid having to chisel through the knot, instead split along its grain. The difference between these two cuts is huge, more than 10 to one. Start at the edge of the wood, not right in the middle of the round. Multiple knots can be split often by going inbetween them. If there are many large knots, it is often *far* easier to split a few small sections off than trying to cleave it directly in half.

You can also avoid direct splitting by clearing the bark off the worse wood, and cutting some of the outside clear wood off and leaving it close to the fire to dry. Start the fire with the clearest wood which is easily made into kindling and then split it for fuel. Leave the knotty bits to serve as long burning coal when you need to forage or sleep.

Do you think a hatchet handle gets injured in the act of splitting firewood and do you think it is likely to get damaged beyond usability by a freezing,tired,possibly injured hiker or hunter trying to get a fire going or a shelter up in a hurry?

There is a real possibility of damage if you mash the handle off the chopping block, this will break all but steel frames very quickly. In this situation a long knife is actually more robust than most hatchets as it is near impossible to break a quality tool steel knife in this manner.

Jim Aston has described using few slim knives for such work, and I mean very slim knives, puukkos and butcher knives. He is skilled though, and I would not recommend whaling on a puukko in a sloppy manner, but a decently tough tool steel knife, 3/16" thick or so should ignore all efforts to damage it in such a manner.

In such a light, probably a more optimal configuration would be a folding swede saw, and a decent large knife. I would not recommend one of the folding pruning saws as they will be easily broken if you are sloppy. However the buck saws are very durable, and the swede saw blades are next to impossible to break, even if you bind them badly.

-Cliff

*Axes made to cut very soft woods actually have profiles very similar to splitting mauls. Since the wood is so soft penetration isn't an issue and the main problem is to prevent binding. Generally you don't talk much about these style of axes because little wood is like this (Balsa class density), and it is so easy to cut that you will be very grateful if you find it and a hard wood pattern felling axe will stick a little, but easily handle it. This soft wood style of axe however quickly becomes useless even on medium density woods and is thus very restricted in use.
 
Thanks again Cliff, I truly appreciate your knowledge and experience. I like your idea about the folding swede saw but I have a folding Trail Blazer saw and the thing rattles like crazy which is real annoying at best and rules it out for hunting at worst. It is also too long to carry if your not using a pack. So I carry a super light, quiet, folding pruning saw and a chopper for if the saw breaks or gets major league pinched and for splitting. I would like to see Gransfors or somebody come out with their mini hatchet with a tapered hawk-like eye.
 
m :

I have a folding Trail Blazer saw and the thing rattles like crazy which is real annoying at best and rules it out for hunting at worst. It is also too long to carry if your not using a pack.

Yes, mine did the same thing. You can mute the noise with a little padding, but the metal case it still a hazard as it can make a decent ding off even minor impacts. You would want to completely change the case to prevent it. I made a makefshift one out of a cardboard tube and ductape which was far more silent. I have the longer model and it is awkward, I usually carry it over the shoulder with some cord. But it is more of a camp saw than a carry one.

I carry a super light, quiet, folding pruning saw and a chopper for if the saw breaks or gets major league pinched and for splitting.

I carry the same type of saw, it works very well. I had a problem when I first used that class of saw though as I broke two before I developed the resistance to pushing, too much western saw use. Even a little frustration or hurry would lead to a small push and that can buckle the blades. Once you get rid of this though they are great wood cutters.

I would like to see Gransfors or somebody come out with their mini hatchet with a tapered hawk-like eye.

Gransfors does make a tomahawk but it is a lot bigger. ATC might be able to make something similar, but you probably won't get it at Gransfors prices.

-Cliff
 
I recall seeing only one dealer with the Gransfors hawks, and they were double the price of the mini belt hatchet. When you get into that range, you are close to a Two Hawks product ( www.2hawks.net ).
 
Consider a Gerber Sport Axe.
They are light enough to carry and incredibly well built. Much better than a hawk for utility chopping, but a hawk is better for self defense.

I disagree with Cliff Stamp. A Gerber handle will not readily break. In fact you would have to try extremely hard and abuse one to break it, and I still doubt that it would readily break. I have put my Gerber Camp Axe through it paces and it's still going strong. I have NEVER heard of anyone breaking a handle on a Gerber axe. I'm sure it may be possible, but there's no way it will break under normal use. That fiberglass stuff they use is amazingly tough. The steel used is also VERY tough and not soft by any means.
 
volvi :

[Gerber Sport Axe]

A Gerber handle will not readily break. In fact you would have to try extremely hard and abuse one to break it

That was exactly the described situation, heavy abusive impacts to the frame.

The steel used is also VERY tough and not soft by any means.

It is soft compared to a quality axe like Gransfors Bruks, Estwing is also very soft as are most of the cheaper production axes. This doesn't mean they are like a piece of butter, they generally run from 45-55 RC, whereas a Bruks class at will be 57/59 RC. The lower hardness on the Gerber class axes does make them tough in regards to fracture, but they will dent easily and roll quicker. As noted just carry a file and leave the edge somewhat more obtuse than you wood on a quality axe.

Unless the frame is steel I would also wrap the handle under the head with thick leather. If you are packing some kind of emergency kit, a small tube of epoxy and some cord should enable you to repair most handle damage. Unless you get a perpendicular split, just epoxy the crack and wrap it tight with the cord. Once the epoxy sets the handle will be almost as strong as new. With a high grade epoxy it will likely be stronger. I have repaired two tomahawk handles and they are still going strong. One has been broken in two diffent places.

-Cliff
 
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