Traditional Austrailian Bunny knife questions

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Speaking to a friend who is originally from down under, I have discovered that there is more than one type of knife traditionally referred to as a Rabbit or Bunny knife. There is a fixed blade skinner as well as a clip point folding knife. They seem to have been produced in the early 20th century both in Sheffield and Solingen. As far as I can tell from looking about on different posts, there is no single thread that focuses on the information about knives referred to as Bunny or Rabbit knives (although there is some very good stuff mixed in with some of the very long threads on other types, if one can hunt for it). Is there any chance I can get some older links to some of the posts on Australian Bunny/Rabbit knives posted together? Do any of you have examples? Are they still being made? Thanks!
 
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Seems to be a rather nice looking pattern. Reminiscent of a Case back pocket, but not as slim and lengthy.

Available in one and two bladed options, with tweezers and a pick for some. Being still readily available, I will be looking into these further.
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The latter is sold as a "2 blade stockman" though it looks to be a trapper to me.
 
Seems to be a rather nice looking pattern. Reminiscent of a Case back pocket, but not as slim and lengthy.

Available in one and two bladed options, with tweezers and a pick for some. Being still readily available, I will be looking into these further.
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The latter is sold as a "2 blade stockman" though it looks to be a trapper to me.

Thanks! I have a version of a Barlow pattern (calling it so because of its long bolsters) by Trevor Ablett that has the clip and long spay blades, without as much curve to the handle as on the Bunny Knives you have posted. I believe that the names for some of the patterns are a bit different between the two countries.
 
My grandfather carried a Joseph Rodgers Bunny Knife, very much like this one, but his had a pair of tweezers in the handle, probably a bit older too, and with the 'Bunny Knife' etch.



Some of our Australian members (eg Cambertree) have made some excellent posts about the Bunny Knife :thumbup:
 
My grandfather carried a Joseph Rodgers Bunny Knife, very much like this one, but his had a pair of tweezers in the handle, probably a bit older too, and with the 'Bunny Knife' etch.



Some of our Australian members (eg Cambertree) have made some excellent posts about the Bunny Knife :thumbup:

Thanks Jack! I am kinda hoping to hear from Cambertree and some of the others as well, especially those who might run into some older versions locally. Btw, in terms of size, is the handle about the same length and width as a Lambfoot? I would think this would be a good fit for most hands (as is the case on the Lambfoot).
 
I always thought of them as an English knife made for the Aus market and later made there. Small bolster, Barehead and Clip blade but it seems there are 2 blade ones as well.

I think you'd need a bigger knife to cope with this Giant Bunny though!:eek::D:D

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Thanks Jack and Bartleby. :thumbup:

Bartleby, I take it you might have found some of the following material. For the sake of not going over the same themes, I've taken the liberty of collating some of that here. :)

Also, here are a couple of older threads featuring some nice Bunny Knives:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1355201-Bunny-Knives?highlight=Bunny+knife

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-Australian-traditional?highlight=Bunny+knife

By the way, the knife shown earlier would indeed have been referred to as a 'Stock Knife' in Australia, on account of the full length castrator blade.

As we well know, knife pattern names are not an exact taxonomy. If that knife had a long Barlow bolster, it would still be a two-bladed stock knife here, due to that castrator (the spey blade in US terminology).

The classic Bunny knife is a full bellied clip main and a pen secondary, with straight or curved, teardrop Barlow style handle regardless of long or short bolsters. They are most commonly Sheffield manufactured - the iconic Bunny Knife is a Joseph Rodgers - but Australia was also was well supplied with Solingen models too.

So the feel in hand is more similar to a Barlow, but yes, very comfortable like a Lambsfoot, hence their popularity as the pre-eminent working pocket knives in their respective countries.:)


A couple of weekends ago, I took up a gracious invitation from fellow Porch forumite, 1500international to visit and have a look at his outstanding collection of traditional knives.

Here are a few of his classic Barlow Bunny knives (and one short bolstered Rodgers sibling - both the long and short bolstered teardrop jacks can be termed Bunny knives in Australia).

(Sorry, my photo quality's not the best, and yes, I need to use a plainer background than the tenugui which is usually in my pocket.)



A Mosley.


Classic Taylors Eye Witness


If we're splitting hairs, this TEW would more properly be termed a Stock knife, due to the castrator blade.


A German J. Dirlam and Sons with '"Bunny" Knife' blade stamp.

Close up of the stepped bolster, and note the long pull extending all the way to the tang.


Another German made Bunny knife - tangstamp Ernst. I'm unfamiliar with this maker, to be honest. The mark is a winged crown - I think that may indicate contract manufacture by Friedrich Olbertz of Solingen, perhaps?




I'll post close ups of the Rodgers short bolstered Bunny Knife in the Old Knives thread, shortly, as it's not a true Barlow.

And that knife, originally in 'Old Knives':

Here's a very fine, classic Joseph Rodgers Bunny Knife, made for the Australian market.





This knife is very interesting, as it shows a bellied blade shape in both the clip main and the pen blade, which is optimised for its stated purpose: skinning rabbits. The clip blade seems quite distinctly different to Boys knife/Barlow knife clip shapes intended for the US market.

(Thanks to my friend 1500international for permission to post about this knife from his collection.)

This spins out of a conversation about the old Yorkshire etymology of the Barlow family name, in the Barlow thread:

That's very interesting Cambertree. Actually the names Barlow and Barley have the same root etymologically, and in the distant past, particularly when few people could read or write, they appear to have been quite interchangeable. The Sheffield cutler Obadiah Barlow may well have been born Obadiah Barley, the name recorded on his apprenticeship records. Knife aside, it's interesting that the word may have been in use continuously by children for several hundred years

Would I be right in supposing that even a long-bolstered jack knife with a clip-blade would have been referred to as a Bunny Knife in Australia? Do you know how long that name goes back? Contemporary Sheffield cutlers can get very confused about knife patterns ( ), but isn't the Eggington 'Bunny Knife' a short-bolstered Jack?.

Jack, that derivation of the Barlow surname from 'barley' is interesting - I suppose it may have been an occupational name originally, possibly a farmer or farmhand's name.

Regarding the Barlow pattern being known as a 'bunny knife' in Australia, here is what I've been able to find.

By way of setting the historical context, rabbits were brought to Australia as food on the First Fleet in 1788, but didn't really take hold on the mainland until the late 1850s. In Tasmania they had been a serious problem in some areas since the 1820s. There were 'successful' attempts in Victoria and South Australia in 1857 and 1859 to release breeding pairs into the wild as game animals on wealthy graziers estates. By 1887 they had spread so fast and so far across the continent, and were causing so much agricultural damage, that the New South Wales government posted a £25,000 reward for anyone able to come up with new ways to control the plague.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia

So hunting and trapping rabbits for their meat and skins was a pretty common way for Australians to supplement their diets and incomes and for many it would have comprised their primary income. Kids would start off using ferrets and snares, and graduate to utilising traps and firearms. The FN Browning .22 pump action was a favoured rifle for taking rabbits, using .22 Short rounds. Known as a 'gallery gun' in Australia, it's not at all uncommon to see old ones from that era going cheap at gun shows with worn out rifling. Now, anyone who knows their rimfires knows that's the mark of a LOT of use.

Here's a clip of a rabbit drive from 1931.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3u6-w7fno

So consider that all these hunters and trappers and skinners and farmers and kids with ferrets needed to have an inexpensive decent quality knife, that took and held a keen edge for their 'bunny knife'. Sometimes this tool was a sheath knife of a trade type pattern, but I think that would have been more common for the pros. Most people would have had a jack-knife they could carry in their pockets.

Obviously all sorts of patterns were used, but given that Australia was a big enough market, there were specific patterns adapted for the purpose. The one and two bladed clip point barlow with pen blade secondary, and its short bolstered teardrop handled sibling were what epitomised the classic 'bunny knife'.

Looking at some of the old ads, the belly of the clip blade seems to have had a bit more drop and sweep to it than barlows from elsewhere, and the clip is sometimes curved enough that it has a slight trailing point. I couldn't say if these are prevailing differences in the pattern which are peculiar to Australia though, or just manufacturer variations. Some of the clip blade styles would definitely have been optimised for skinning though.

I think the barlow became popular for all the same reasons it did in America - it was a strong, durable, reliable tool for people close to their pioneering roots. The Joseph Rodgers name is still remembered by people of a certain age who wouldn't be able to tell you any other knife brands. Other Barlow bunny knives were Sheffield sourced and stamped with the name of local brands.

How far back does the Barlow 'bunny knife' connection go?

Given that the rabbit plague had become a very serious problem by the latter years of the 19th century, I would hazard a guess that large cutlers and wholesalers would have referred to specific rabbiting pocket knives in their catalogues by the 1890s.

Newpaper advertising copy for cutlers from the earlier part of the 19th century usually refers simply to 'pen knives, pocket knives, and sporting knives.' I suppose 'pocket knives' as a distinct category, refers to what we would now call jack-knives.

These images come from the 1924 W. Jno Baker catalogue. William John Baker was one of the best known cutlers in Sydney who ran a large wholesale and retail import business from 1888 until his death in 1930. They are published in Keith Spencer and Joan Renton-Spencer's 2015 book 'Australian and New Zealand Cutlers and Cutlery 1788-1988'.

(I have cropped and blown-up the relevant Barlow/Bunny knife after each full page catalogue image.)









Spencer believes that the pocket knives with the W. Jno. Baker tang stamp were from the Phoenix Cutlery Works in Sheffield from 1888-1893 and were possibly sourced from Joseph Rodgers after that, given that he also sold a large variety of Rodgers tableware under their own name. (Baker also sold Schrade Safety Press Button pocket knives with his own tang stamp.)

Here's another image from a catalogue of Melbourne company Ward Bros. (I'm unsure of the date, but I'd guess 1940s or 50s.)



So you can see that the Barlow connection in the Australian mind to the classic Bunny knife was definitely in place by the 1920s.

Interestingly, if the secondary blade was a spey, they were often referred to as 'Stock knives', along with the more familiar three or four blade Stockman pattern. I believe this applied likewise to both the long and short bolstered teardrop jack pattern. So in the Ward Bros. catalogue page above, the Bunny knives would traditionally have been both 510 and 513, whereas 509, 515 and 516 would have been 'two bladed stock knives'.

Hopefully more people can add to this information (or correct me if I have been in error). I would love to see some photos of well used old Barlow Bunny knives.

I'd also be interested to hear from any Kiwis if the same terminologies applied over in New Zealand.
 
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And more from the Barlow thread:

This post references a chat about colonial Australian Barlow 'Bunny knife' history (which has some posts running from about 14236-14272-14290, for anyone who is interested).

One of the reasons that hand forging lasted so late in Sheffield is because of the Little Mester system (and the unwillingness of the factory owners to invest), since labour was much cheaper than paying for new tooling, particularly when you were using cutlers all over the town to make knives for you, all of whom would require tooling, which might not always be returned afterwards, or used exclusively for your knives. Hand-forging was also considered to be far superior by the Sheffield cutlers though, and was the rule rather than the exception into modern times.

Yes, there are accepted Sheffield 'town patterns', which were produced by a great many individual cutlers, and to a lesser extent that is still the case.

Right, that's quite incredible to think of the consistency and uniformity of patterns and blade styles that was achieved then, with so many different Littlemesters operating for the various major cutlers.

Hand forged blades with experienced heat treatments goes a long way to explaining the legendary status Sheffield cutlery had throughout the colonies and in the New World.

I saw a similar system operating with the small forges attached to the houses of traditional knifemakers in Seki, Sanjo and Sakai in Japan, although there was much more individual variation in the standard patterns there.

Jack, excuse my ignorance, but does 'Town-pattern' refer to a style that would have been recorded in a standard Sheffield pattern book?

I know you have said before that old Barlows are rare as hens teeth around Sheffield, and that most of them were likely exported.

Here is a photo of some antipodean Barlow Bunny knives which I am reposting from Australian Blade Forums. (Thanks to International for permission to use this photo.) The Barlow on the left would have probably been referred to as a 'Stock Knife', however.


Camillus asked why old Bunny Knives are rare in Australia:

Off the top of my head there could be a couple of reasons -

Camillus, think of all those clapped out old single shot Anschutz .22s and Browning pump action .22 'Gallery guns' you see at gun shows here. The bores of many of them are nearly worn smooth from a lifetime of shooting bunnies. I can't imagine how many rimfire rounds that would take, but all of us here who shoot, will either remember ourselves or know others for whom shooting and skinning a hundred or so rabbits a night, was in no way remarkable. And they were at it night after night too. There's not a lot of other countries where that intense level of shooting, skinning and field dressing was as commonplace as during the rabbit plagues here.

Those old Rodgers Barlows and short bolster bunny knives would have copped a similar caning through their working lives, been worn out or sharpened down to a toothpick and thrown in a toolbox in the back of the shed to rust or become a kids toy.



Skins being stretched.


Consider that scenes like this were commonplace over much of settled Australia from the late 19th, well into the mid 20th century. And Sheffield, and to a lesser extent, Solingen bladeware would have been put to work on nearly every one of those bunnies.

Also, I was reflecting the other day on this and I recalled a series of visits I made for a previous job to the main state warehouse of one of the major charities in Australia. This organisation is a household name and has op shops ('Opportunity shops' - thrift stores) in every town pretty much.

So every donation from the public is actually picked up from the bins and brought there to be sorted on big tables and assessed and either thrown away or put into the stillage for the relevant category - clothes, shoes, appliances, books, electronics, crockery, flatware, paintings etc.

You name it and it was in this big warehouse.

Now I remember that one of the issues the sorters had was sharp objects - they'd get broken crockery, bits of wire and metal, and of course all sorts of household knives mixed in with everything else from well meaning donors.

What they did with any that weren't serviceable blunt table and butter knives was throw them all straight in big Sharps bins next to the tables. I'm not sure if they sold the metal for scrap, but I'm willing to bet it all went to the rubbish tip.

I didn't see any pocket knives go that way, but I bet that many, many of them have.

Think of all the well meaning older crowd, particularly in country areas, who in gathering up a bunch of stuff for charity would look at some worn, but still usable old pocket knife lying around and think 'some young bloke might get some use out of that', and put it in with everything else.

Well, like it or not, OHS standards mean none of them will ever get to the shops.

And that's why I never bother to look in Op shops for old pocket knives. I have seen some nice Sheffield flatware in them, but that's another story.

So, as I said, I've wondered exactly the same thing, Camillus and Augie, and I figure that might be a couple of reasons why. There's obviously something going on, as Sheffield and Solingen were pumping Barlows and short bolstered Bunny knives into Australia as fast as they could make them for a long time.

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My grandfather carried a Joseph Rodgers Bunny Knife, very much like this one, but his had a pair of tweezers in the handle, probably a bit older too, and with the 'Bunny Knife' etch.


Nice composition (and Bunny Knife) too, Jack.:thumbup:
 
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Many thanks, Chin! It is nice to have this information combined together. I am trying to focus my purchases a bit on Sheffield this year, and think a single blade Bunny will likely be me next knife. Very kind of you to bring together your fine posts!
 
Many thanks, Chin! It is nice to have this information combined together. I am trying to focus my purchases a bit on Sheffield this year, and think a single blade Bunny will likely be me next knife. Very kind of you to bring together your fine posts!

Thanks for the kind words, my friend - no problem. :thumbup:

It was a good call of yours to get things organised under a single thread. I agree: sometimes information can get lost in the flow of some of the multi hundred page threads.

I'll be following your purchases with interest and looking forward to chatting about them more in this, and other threads.:)
 
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Thanks for the kind words, my friend - no problem. :thumbup:

It was a good call of yours to get things organised under a single thread. Sometimes information can get lost in the flow of some of the multi hundred page threads.

I'll be following your purchases with interest and looking forward to chatting about them more in this, and other threads.:)

Why it turns out that I have had an Aussie stock knife with clip and castrator blades made by Trevor Ablett! It came included in the box that contains my Ablett Barlow with clip and spey blades.:D

I have always liked and often carry some sort of Barlow pattern, but I am liking the curved haft and lighter weight of the Eyewitness Bunny knife. They look right comfortable in the hand.
 
Why it turns out that I have had an Aussie stock knife with clip and castrator blades made by Trevor Ablett! It came included in the box that contains my Ablett Barlow with clip and spey blades.:D

Oh, nice one!:thumbup::cool:

I have always liked and often carry some sort of Barlow pattern, but I am liking the curved haft and lighter weight of the Eyewitness Bunny knife. They look right comfortable in the hand.

Yep, they definitely have that 'just right' feel of the real classics.:thumbup:

When you consider the multitude of pocketknife patterns and variants from that golden age period; the pre-eminent patterns which have come down to us and become well known, are the result of a pretty rigorous selection process in the field, over the years.
 
Oh, nice one!:thumbup::cool:



Yep, they definitely have that 'just right' feel of the real classics.:thumbup:

When you consider the multitude of pocketknife patterns and variants from that golden age period; the pre-eminent patterns which have come down to us and become well known, are the result of a pretty rigorous selection process in the field, over the years.

Indeed! I believe that the commercial marketplace at that time was a wonder of natural selection, fed by the intelligent designs of the master cutlers. The enduring patterns made at that time started out as the result of subtle changes made to established patterns by human hands that worked with tools on a daily basis. The ones that sold well were the ones that worked best. In the case of the bunny knife, the curve to the haft would seem to make the knife a bit more controllable when skinning vast numbers of the little critters (as I get older, I have noticed that this helps quite a lot). I notice in the posts you generously provided that several of them have bails for lanyards, another practical development. I would think a wrist lanyard would have kept the knife handy as one un-gloved the un-loved during this plague. Absolutely fascinating insights into a very particular time in Australian history.
 
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