Training Knife Preferences

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edges2greg

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Hey all,

This is Greg from EDGES2. We're the guys that make the aluminum training knives and swords at http://www.trainingblades.com .

Anyway, I've been asking around trying to get people's preferences for styles and designs of training knives they prefer, and I was hoping to get some input on what you all look for in a safe training knife?

The information would really be helpful to us in order to create trainers that the general public would like to work with. Please keep in mind though, that we can't replicate production knives without getting sued...so I'd be interested more in characteristics of your ideal training knife (length, single or double edged, weight, shape, etc).

Thanks!

 
hello greg,
my name is mustafa, and i have your catalog. i didnt buy anything yet, but i do plan to.

i would like to see some philippine style blades with the same weight and wood on the handle, that i am use to. right now my mom buys them and ship it to me, but i dont always get it, because i guess people steal the mail or you are not suppose to send swords in the mail.

also in california where i live the balisong is illegal, but you can have a balisong comb, or anything if there is no blade on it. maybe you can make something up that's legal and opens like the balisong. i dont need the blade, i have plenty, but i like opening and closing the knife (i havent play with one in 2 years). thanks!
 
Greg,

I have a Burgee Tanto, a nice training knife indeed. Very nice.

I for one, would like to see some more Custom collaborations, namely with Emerson. I don't know if Ernie would agree or not.

I have a folding Trainer from Emerson Knives, a Commander. I would like to have a non-folding version as well...and a LaGriffe to boot!

I don't know how you guys go about getting permission, etc., but the tactical folders are something that you guys have been getting into as of late.

You're making a non-folding, full-size copy of the Crawford KFF, I want to get one of the live ones later on. I have a Crawford full-sized WORTAC as well, there is another one I would like to see, again, don't know how you go about getting permission.

Timberline is about ready to come out with the Production WORTAC, I don't know if they will be making a rounded/dull trainer to boot or not.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
This is just a thought but there is a company called mineral mountain that allows you to customize their knives t a degree by giving several options in blade, handle, pommel and I believe handle material. Maybe you could do a similar thing. Also maybe more smaller knife designs. For those of us that try to concentrate on smaller blades because that's what we carry. other than that I love you stuff. I just haven't found a training knife I would like yet from you guys. Thanks for posting here with this question.


-justin.
 
Only the weak play with training knives. how do you cowards expect to learn how to use a blade unless you train and spar with the live blade. Where I trained in RSA , I stabbed and was cut and stabbed by my training partners,but it was worth it to become the killing machine with the blade that I am today. I am currently training Israeli Mossad in Advanced Blade Concepts and we have had 2 men injured severely in just 9 days. All of you are weak.
 
And I warned you about posting NONSENSE in this Forum, last time it was about something else.

Now, you want to stay a member of Bladeforums?

Cease...right now.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
I train with your tanto and bowie trainers, and I think they are ideal. The tips on the tantos are a little thin for full contact sparring, but hey, pain is a great instructor. My partner has a gununting, excellent training weapon!

Thicker edges and rounder points are better for class drills, but I like more realistic weapons for sparring. As beautiful as the deluxe bowie is, I prefer integral guards and cord wrap handles, as the trainers take a lot of beatings on the floor and concrete.
 
Greg,

I love my Gunting trainers and my Kasper/Polkowski scorpion trainer (just had Frank @ Skunkworks make a sheath for me). For the folder size trainers, I prefer a working drone.

I'm still looking for a small rubber trainer that is a realistic (folder size) for sparring without having to cut down a larger trainer.

The main thing I like about edges2 trainers, is that they are extremely close to the dimensions of the real thing. The feel is bang on. I prefer the micarta handles to cord or rubber though. I'd love to see kydex sheaths be offered as an option for realistic street training.

I'm looking for a Bowie as well as a Crossada trainer right now.


Don,

I have a LaGriffe Trainer made by a fellow forumite (a hobby business). Really nice, great price. Email me for the info if you want.

Steve

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Greg,

I'm really glad that you posted this question, because our group has a problem.
We like to spar full contact with your training blades but you don't make one that fits our needs. It's not about the style of the knife ... we like your bolo knife. I'm talking along the same lines as Justin suggested.

Here's our problem, we don't like the rubber or paracord grips on your low end models because they're hard to hold onto during hard sparing, but the deluxe models (which have the full sized micarta grips that we prefer) are just too nice and expensive to spar with. Ideally, we'd like your economy blade (I think that's the name), the one that is just the shape of the blade with the deburred edges (no polished finish or hollow grinds) and a full sized micarta handle (it doesn't need the aluminum bolsters or that nice polishing job).

In other words, we want the feel of a blade for sparing, but in a package that won't be so expensive as to prohibit the extremely rough use. Also, with this type of blade we can grind out any burs that we put in the blades with a bench grinder.

Do you think something like this is possible? If so, please give me a ballpark price.

Thanks!

Dave Fulton



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"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DQTYKFFHDSAIJUED:
Only the weak play with training knives. how do you cowards expect to learn how to use a blade unless you train and spar with the live blade. Where I trained in RSA , I stabbed and was cut and stabbed by my training partners,but it was worth it to become the killing machine with the blade that I am today. I am currently training Israeli Mossad in Advanced Blade Concepts and we have had 2 men injured severely in just 9 days. All of you are weak.</font>
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You're a legend in your own mind.

In my mind (based upon your profile and post) you appear to be nothing more than a troll who has extensive "potty" training but not much else.

Dave.



[This message has been edited by Dave Fulton (edited 03-08-2001).]
 
Hi Greg,
Although I don´t own any of your training blades, I think a LaGriffe trainer would be interesting.
Let DQwhatever post. I´ve forwarded this to the military attaché of the Israeli embassy in DC. They´ll hack his IP and visit him soon, I think. Mossad usually executes talking loud operatives without warning.
BTW, what´s the combat knife equivalent of a .22 Beretta pistol?
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[This message has been edited by judge (edited 03-08-2001).]
 
Hey, that's an interesting idea for us to consider for our product line. Honestly, Bob could custom make you any variation you'd want in a trainer. The problem is producing a nice handle quickly and inexpensively. Currently Bob Burgee hand grinds all the handles and guards, which takes some time and means we have to charge a lot more for that type of work. We're actually looking into alternative handle materials, more ready-made stuff...but we haven't seen anything that works well for us yet. We will start brainstorming on this idea though.

We've recently started dabbling with a thicker grade aluminum for our new Tarani Karambit. The thicker stock aluminum (and the fact that it has a thumb hole) means we don't have to do any real handle-work. We're toying with the idea of releasing a few new designs using this handle-less method. We'd love some feedback on that as well. We have a the images and specs of the Tarani Karambit posted on our website now if you want to check it out. http://www.trainingblades.com



<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dave Fulton:
Greg,

I'm really glad that you posted this question, because our group has a problem.
We like to spar full contact with your training blades but you don't make one that fits our needs. It's not about the style of the knife ... we like your bolo knife. I'm talking along the same lines as Justin suggested.

Here's our problem, we don't like the rubber or paracord grips on your low end models because they're hard to hold onto during hard sparing, but the deluxe models (which have the full sized micarta grips that we prefer) are just too nice and expensive to spar with. Ideally, we'd like your economy blade (I think that's the name), the one that is just the shape of the blade with the deburred edges (no polished finish or hollow grinds) and a full sized micarta handle (it doesn't need the aluminum bolsters or that nice polishing job).

In other words, we want the feel of a blade for sparing, but in a package that won't be so expensive as to prohibit the extremely rough use. Also, with this type of blade we can grind out any burs that we put in the blades with a bench grinder.

Do you think something like this is possible? If so, please give me a ballpark price.

Thanks!

Dave Fulton



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by edges2greg:
Hey, that's an interesting idea for us to consider for our product line. Honestly, Bob could custom make you any variation you'd want in a trainer. The problem is producing a nice handle quickly and inexpensively. Currently Bob Burgee hand grinds all the handles and guards, which takes some time and means we have to charge a lot more for that type of work. We're actually looking into alternative handle materials, more ready-made stuff...but we haven't seen anything that works well for us yet. We will start brainstorming on this idea though.

We've recently started dabbling with a thicker grade aluminum for our new Tarani Karambit. The thicker stock aluminum (and the fact that it has a thumb hole) means we don't have to do any real handle-work. We're toying with the idea of releasing a few new designs using this handle-less method. We'd love some feedback on that as well. We have a the images and specs of the Tarani Karambit posted on our website now if you want to check it out. http://www.trainingblades.com


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Thanks for responding Greg!

I'm not sure if 3/8" would be thick enough as a handle for a full-contact sparing knife, but it might be worth a shot. The paracord or rubber grip or the thinner micarta slabs you all use on other knives on top of the 3/8" stock might be the ticket though. In fact the heavier stock might be even better than your standard stock for the sparring because of the extreme abuse that the blades can encounter.

We'd be happy to test some proto-types (of a full-contact sparing knife or other models) and if you tell us what criteria you want feedback on, we could provide that to you.

Let me know if you're interested in discussing this further.

Thanks again!

Dave Fulton




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Full Contact Martial Arts Association.

"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."
 
Hello Greg and Bob,

First I want to thank you guys a bunch, I recieved the Barong and the Tarani training Karambits today and there great. You guys did a great job and I will be ordering more.

I will agree with DR and others, I would like to see more folding type trainers.
 
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