Tropen Thoughts/Reviews?

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This knife seems like total overkill, so of course I am mildly interested. The only wave knife I have (Matriarch) just explodes out of the pocket, so I'm wondering how this one handles?

I want a spyderco flipper, but not sure if I should spring for this or grab something else on the exchange.
 
Nicely built, good materials (G10 feels like wood), horrible design flaw with the blade exposed in the comp lock opening...I held one yesterday and cannot fathom pocket carrying one.
 
This knife seems like total overkill, so of course I am mildly interested. The only wave knife I have (Matriarch) just explodes out of the pocket, so I'm wondering how this one handles?

I want a spyderco flipper, but not sure if I should spring for this or grab something else on the exchange.

I own over 200 knives and most of them are manual or assisted flippers, including 9 Spyderco flippers, was well as 8 wave type knives, including 3 ZT/Emersons, 3 Kershaw/Emersons and the Spyderco P'Kal and Karahawk. I also just ordered a black LW Matriarch wave which would make 9 waved blades. However, there is only one knife that I can think of right now that can be opened both w/a flipper and a wave feature and that knife is the Tropen.

The Tropen has been on my "to buy" list for as long as I've known about it and just bought one. Delivery pending.

Had one on pre-order w/a $5 hold at BHQ but, when they couldn't/didn't fill my order, when at least 3 other online dealers already showed it "in stock," I canceled the pre-order and ordered it directly from Spyderco for even less than the MAP price offered by the other dealers (plus the $5 I lost on the pre-order) because I just became eligible for Spyderco's OpFocus program.

This knife checks off a lot of the boxes for me. 4" blade, deployment by flipper, wave or SpydieHole, upswept blade design suitable for "SD" as well as other use and a compression lock.

Have read the complaints/worries about an alleged blade risk but it looks like this issue as been fixed based on the recent pics that I've seen of the knife and I can't imagine that Spyderco would release a knife w/such a risk of injury given the possibility of lawsuits arising from such a design flaw.

I also like large folders so the opened/closed size of the Tropen is also not a problem for me. If I can carry a K2 w/o complaint, carrying a Tropen certainly will be no issue either.

OP: Can't say whether this particular flipper is for you. It all depends on what you like best in terms of size, style and function.

If you like a smaller/gentleman's type knife, then the Hanan or Positron would be better. And, I you'd like a smaller SD oriented knife, the Introvert is a unique offering. If you like mid-sized, then the Mantra3, Silverax, Domino, Southard or the Advocate would be better. But if you like larger knives, then the Amalgam and Tropen would be the ones to consider. I already own the 1st 9 and will own all 10 after I receive the Tropen.
 
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I own over 200 knives and most of them are manual or assisted flippers, including 9 Spyderco flippers, was well as 7 wave type knives, including 3 ZT/Emersons, 3 Kershaw/Emersons and the Spyderco P'Kal. Ialso just ordered a black LW Matriarch wave. However, there is only one knife that I can think of right now that can be opened both w/a flipper and a wave feature and that knife is the Tropen.

The Tropen has been on my "to buy" list for as long as I've known about it and just bought one. Delivery pending.

Had one on pre-order w/a $5 hold at BHQ but, when they couldn't/didn't fill my order, when at least 3 other online dealers already showed it "in stock," I canceled the pre-order and ordered it directly from Spyderco for even less than the MAP price offered by the other dealers (plus the $5 I lost on the pre-order) because I just became eligible for Spyderco's OpFocus program.

This knife checks off a lot of the boxes for me. 4" blade, deployment by flipper, wave or SpydieHole, upswept blade design suitable for "SD" as well as other use and a compression lock.

Have read the complaints/worries about an alleged blade risk but it looks like this issue as been fixed based on the recent pics that I've seen of the knife and I can't imagine that Spyderco would release a knife w/such a risk of injury given the possibility of lawsuits arising from such a design flaw.

I also like large folders so the opened/closed size of the Tropen is also not a problem for me. If I can carry a K2 w/o complaint, carrying a Tropen certainly will be no issue either.

OP: Can't say whether this particular flipper is for you. It all depends on what you like best in terms of size, style and function.

If you like a smaller/gentleman's type knife, then the Hanan or Positron would be better. And, I you'd like a smaller SD oriented knife, the Introvert is a unique offering. If you like mid-sized, then the Mantra3, Siverax, Domino, Southard or the Advocate would be better. But if you like larger knives, then the Amalgam and Tropen would be the ones to consider. I already own the 1st 9 and will own all 10 after I receive the Tropen.

Unfortunately the issue is still very much there, and the one I handled yesterday did not have any changes from the earlier photos. You can definitely touch the edge with it folded and without trying too hard. I have visions of reaching into my pocket for something and slice!
 
Unfortunately the issue is still very much there, and the one I handled yesterday did not have any changes from the earlier photos. You can definitely touch the edge with it folded and without trying too hard. I have visions of reaching into my pocket for something and slice!

Well, guess I'll just have to see for myself as soon as mine arrives but if you use the wave, flipper or Spydiehole, I don't see how you are going to cut yourself deploying the knife and when you press the compression lock bar while the knife open, there's nothing there to cut your finger on.

So, I just don't get what the problem is unless you are trying to release the compression lockbar while the knife is still closed, which I do w/other compression locked Spyders (like the Para Military 2, Para 3 and Shaman) so that I can just flick them open but that would be unnecessary w/the Tropen because of the flipper and wave.

I expect others who receive theirs earlier will chime in quickly here and elsewhere if it is a serious problem and, if it's really "that bad," I would expect Spyderco to "fix" the problem voluntarily under warranty at no cost but I just don't see what the problem is "yet."
 
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Nicely built, good materials (G10 feels like wood), horrible design flaw with the blade exposed in the comp lock opening...I held one yesterday and cannot fathom pocket carrying one.

Is that section of blade that intrudes into the compression lock cutout sharpened?

I own over 200 knives and most of them are manual or assisted flippers, including 9 Spyderco flippers, was well as 8 wave type knives, including 3 ZT/Emersons, 3 Kershaw/Emersons and the Spyderco P'Kal and Karahawk. I also just ordered a black LW Matriarch wave which would make 9 waved blades. However, there is only one knife that I can think of right now that can be opened both w/a flipper and a wave feature and that knife is the Tropen.

The Tropen has been on my "to buy" list for as long as I've known about it and just bought one. Delivery pending.

Had one on pre-order w/a $5 hold at BHQ but, when they couldn't/didn't fill my order, when at least 3 other online dealers already showed it "in stock," I canceled the pre-order and ordered it directly from Spyderco for even less than the MAP price offered by the other dealers (plus the $5 I lost on the pre-order) because I just became eligible for Spyderco's OpFocus program.

This knife checks off a lot of the boxes for me. 4" blade, deployment by flipper, wave or SpydieHole, upswept blade design suitable for "SD" as well as other use and a compression lock.

Have read the complaints/worries about an alleged blade risk but it looks like this issue as been fixed based on the recent pics that I've seen of the knife and I can't imagine that Spyderco would release a knife w/such a risk of injury given the possibility of lawsuits arising from such a design flaw.

I also like large folders so the opened/closed size of the Tropen is also not a problem for me. If I can carry a K2 w/o complaint, carrying a Tropen certainly will be no issue either.

OP: Can't say whether this particular flipper is for you. It all depends on what you like best in terms of size, style and function.

If you like a smaller/gentleman's type knife, then the Hanan or Positron would be better. And, I you'd like a smaller SD oriented knife, the Introvert is a unique offering. If you like mid-sized, then the Mantra3, Silverax, Domino, Southard or the Advocate would be better. But if you like larger knives, then the Amalgam and Tropen would be the ones to consider. I already own the 1st 9 and will own all 10 after I receive the Tropen.

There are several Emerson knives which have both the wave and flipper tab. For example the cqc7f or the Sheepdog models.
 
Unfortunately the issue is still very much there, and the one I handled yesterday did not have any changes from the earlier photos. You can definitely touch the edge with it folded and without trying too hard. I have visions of reaching into my pocket for something and slice!

Or what if your finger slips off the flipper tab when trying to flip the knife?
 
Or what if your finger slips off the flipper tab when trying to flip the knife?

Like I said, I'll just have to see when I get mine but I've got a Silverax in my pocket right now and when I flip it my finger does not drop below the edge of the scale into the compression lock area and the blade is no longer in the closed position while it is being flipped and can't possibly cut you if your finger falls into that area.

I also don't see how your finger is going to slip off the front side of the flipper onto the compression lock area while attempting to flip the blade and I can't imagine that the edge of the blade of the Tropen, when closed, extends beyond the edge of the scale which is the only way you could cut yourself if you finger slides along the edge of the scale while attempting but failing to flip it.

I also don't think it is a realistic if you (or anyone else) is purposefully sticking a finger into the compression lock bar area while the blade is closed to see if you can make contact w/the blade. That's just not how you would normally operate the knife and, if that is the problem people are talking about, then I think the risk of injury is grossly exaggerated.

I'm also sure (given the prior public crticisims about this) that Sal, his designers and his lawyers have given it careful thought and, if they left it the way it is, they obviously not think it is a problem.

We'll soon see/hear from early buyers of the knife if it is or not.
 
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Like I said, I'll just have to see when I get mine but I've got a Silverax in my pocket right now and when I flip it my finger does not drop below the edge of the scale and the blade is also no longer in the closed position while it is being flipped and can't possibly cut you if you finger falls into the compression lock area.

I also don't see how your finger is going to slip off the front side of the flipper onto the compression lock area and I can't imagine that the edge of the blade of the Tropen, when closed, extends beyond the edge of the scale which is the only way you could cut yourself if you finger slides along the edge of the scale while attempting but failing to flip it.

I don't think it is a realistic problem if you (or anyone else) is purposefully sticking a finger in the compression lock bar area while the blade is closed to see if it can make contact w/the blade. That's just not how you would normally operate the knife and, if that is the problem people are talking about, then I think the risk of injury is grossly exaggerated.

And, I'm sure (given the prior comments about this) that Sal, his designers and his lawyers have given it careful thought and, if they left it the way it is, they too do not think it is that big a problem.

We'll see . . .

Have you looked at a picture of fbe closed knife? If that edge in the compression lock is sharp then that is a lot of exposed edge. For people who put other things than their knife in one pocket that is not a pocket I want to be reaching around in.

I guess I could always just dull the edge myself not really as huge a deal as I thought maybe.
 
I've got one on the way. I didnt know about the issue but I'll handle it before I judge. I want to assume spyderco wouldn't release something that has an exposed edge that could cut you, but it does look like it could be an issue. I've been very disappointed in spyderco for the last year or so. They released so many items in 2018 that barely made it into production by 2019 or havent yet. Rhino(2017), smock, tropen, hanan... I dont understand why they seem to be having so much difficulty in predicting product availability. I cant even remember when I ordered my tropen, but I know I expected it in 2018. And then to have huge qc details like exposed blade? Not up to par for spydercos reputation IMO. I hope they take a step back and get their stuff together.
 
Ok, I just received my Tropen directly from Spyderco and I love it!

The polished and contoured G10 scales fit my medium sized hand perfectly w/my index finger in the scale cut-out and my thumb on top of the wave tang.

You can choke up on the blade by placing your index finger on top of the spine where it's flat and radiused and your middle finger in the scale cut-out for skinning or slicing something. You can also hold it in a reverse grip but I am less comfortable w/that because the seems less balanced and more unwieldy when held this way. Not saying it can't be done; it's just doesn't feel that comfortable doing that to me.

The upswept edge of the blade and flat grind make it very effective for cutting/slicing whether in the kitchen or for SD. The flat radiused section of the spine also makes the blade very effective in using for a counter block SD tactic, as you could use a Szabo, Ayoob, Gunting or Jot Singh Khalsa. However, the blade shape to handle angle is not that good for stabbing because, when the knife is held out straight, the blade angle is upward and would be easy to deflect from a stabbing (but not slicing) motion. This is the reason for the adjusted blade/handle angle you see in the Ayoob and various Schempp designed knives.

The knife deploys very easily and quickly using the flipper or the wave. The Spydie hole in the blade is too small to use for deployment but (like the ZT and other Emersons that I own) you can flick the blade open by using the end of the wave tang as the friction point and it easily flicks open in this way with your thumb. So, you still have 3 deployment options available.

I do not make it a habit to close my knives one handed but you can do this safely w/the Tropen. Unlike other compression lock knives, when you release the blade from the open position, the flipper tab stops the blade from fully closing and accidentally dropping on your finger if it's in the way.

The only thing you cannot do w/the Tropen that I can do w/other Spyderco compression lock knives that I own is to flick it open by simply releasing the compression lock, because about 1/2" of the exposed end of the blade is in the way and prevents you from disengaging the lock bar tab when the knife is closed.

Regarding this exposed edge, I do not see how you can possibly cut yourself on it UNLESS you push down and inward w/your finger tip so that your it touches the blade and then intentionally continue to apply finger tip pressure laterally along the exposed edge, which would be hard if not stupid to do.

The gimped end of the lock bar tab acts as a guard to prevent you from cutting yourself on the exposed edge and when you use the flipper, your finger will contact the gimping on the top of the lock bar tab long after the blade has already been deployed.

The flipper tab is also very large and I don't see how it would be possible for your finger to slip off it and, even if it did, the gimping on the top of the lock bar tab would prevent you from cutting your finger on the exposed blade edge. So, there really is no risk of cutting yourself on the 1/2" of exposed blade unless you intentionally want to do it and there is no need to dull it.

So, I think that the Tropen is a FANTASTIC knife!

Unlike the Shaman, which I mentioned in another thread is a fine knife but think is just "ok" because it does not "excite" me, the Tropen (like the Autonomy2 and Amalgam) does. While I generally do not like to carry my more expensive knives because I do not want to risk losing or damaging them, it will be hard to keep the Tropen out of my pocket.

Kudos to Javier Vogt and to Sal for bringing this truly exceptional knife to market!

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Yes it certainly is, I could ABSOLUTELY see the potential to reach into the pocket and slice pad of your finger on it.

NONSENSE !!!

When I pull the knife out of my pocket w/o using the wave, my thumb rests only on the show side scale, the side of my middle finger at the 2nd joint contacts the scale below the clip and my index finger rests naturally on the top of flipper tab in a perfect position to flip it.

Even if the knife is unclipped and you pull it from inside your pocket where it rests loose, you will only touch the front of the flipper tab or the gimped top of the lock bar tab and cannot touch the exposed edge of the blade.

So, as I said, there is absolutely NO WAY to cut yourself on the exposed edge of the blade unless you intentionally want to do it.
 
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I absolutely disagree.

When I pull the knife out of my pocket w/o using the wave, my thumb rests only on the show side scale and my index finger rests on the top of flipper tab. There is NO way to touch the exposed edge of the blade.
What about when it's clipped in your pocket? Like if you reached into the pocket for something else? That's where I feel like the risk is, I was really surprised in person just how exposed the edge is.
 
What about when it's clipped in your pocket? Like if you reached into the pocket for something else? That's where I feel like the risk is, I was really surprised in person just how exposed the edge is.

That's what I already described above.

When it's clipped to my pocket, I pull it out w/my thumb on the show side scale, the middle finger contacts the inner scale below the clip and the index finger falls on top of the flipper. There is NO RISK of ever being cut by the exposed edge of the blade which is guarded by the compression tab itself.

If you don't have one yet, please to not argue the point until you do. If you get one in your hands, you'll see what I am saying is true.
 
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That's what I already described above.

When it's clipped to my pocket, I pull it out w/my thumb on the show side scale, the middle finger contacts the inner scale below the clip and the index finger falls on top of the flipper. There is NO RISK of ever being cut by the exposed edge of the blade which is guarded by the compression tab itself.

If you don't have one yet, please to not argue the point until you do. If you get one in your hands, you'll see what I am saying is true.


You're very adamant, but I don't think you're reading the question. No one is asking about removing the knife from your pocket. The question is what happens when you reach into the pocket with the knife to grab something like keys or another object in the bottom of the pocket. If the side of your hand brushes against the side of the knife while you are going into or out of the pocket can it cut you?
 
You're very adamant, but I don't think you're reading the question. No one is asking about removing the knife from your pocket. The question is what happens when you reach into the pocket with the knife to grab something like keys or another object in the bottom of the pocket. If the side of your hand brushes against the side of the knife while you are going into or out of the pocket can it cut you?

Sorry but you are not reading my review and answers carefully enough.

I already answered this above.

It is impossible to cut yourself on what little of the blade is exposed but guarded by the compression lock tab, either when the knife is clipped to the pocket or lying loose inside the pocket . . .

UNLESS you intentionally force your finger into the location where the blade edge is exposed, push your finger tip against the blade edge and pull your finger tip along the edge which is difficult to do w/in the 1/2" available for the sole purpose of cutting yourself, which is not anyone w/any sense would do, and even then there is so little space between the guard and the blade edge that it would still be difficult to do even if you wanted to do it.

Not saying it's impossible but it would have to be intentional and not accidental to do it.
 
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Same answer.

It's impossible to cut yourself on what little of the blade is exposed but guarded by the compression lock tab.

Dude sorry but you’re wrong. If that exposed edge is sharp then it is far from impossible to cut yourself with it.

With the compression lock on the spine side of the knife that exposed edge will be facing the inside of your pocket if you have the knife clipped to the far right hip side of your pocket.

If I reach into that pocket past the knife there is nothing preventing my hand from contacting that blade. Yeah true I could be extra aware every time I raach into the pocket to attempt to avoid the issue. However eventually I might reach into my pocket carelessly and hit that exposed blade.

Not to mention what about the stuff in my pocket hitting that blade? A leather wallet won’t survive long against a sharp edge.

@Sal Glesser can we get a final word what is going on with this Tropen? I apologize as I’m sure you likely answered this before but I haven’t been able to find it.

What is the story with that exposed edge on the tropen? Is it sharpened? I have heard the argument that it’s not an issue because your finger will be pushed out of the way by the flipper; but what about reaching into your pocket with that exposed edge in there? What about if your finger slips off the flipper while you are opening the knife? Seems like it would land right on this exposed edge.
 
I’m glad to see opinions from folks who have handled the knife!

The blade shape, grind, blade/handle ratio and especially the polished G-10 excite me. (Spyderco’s poloshed G-10 is luscious!)

I haven’t heard anyone comment on detent. Is the detent strong enough for “satisfying” flipper deployment? How easily can the blade shake out?
 
I’m glad to see opinions from folks who have handled the knife!

The blade shape, grind, blade/handle ratio and especially the polished G-10 excite me. (Spyderco’s poloshed G-10 is luscious!)

I haven’t heard anyone comment on detent. Is the detent strong enough for “satisfying” flipper deployment? How easily can the blade shake out?

The detent is fine.

The blade will not "drop" open with light shaking or normal handling and cannot be wrist flicked open sideways, like I can w/some other compression lock Spyders that I own.

As mentioned previously, the way I wrist flick other compression lock knives open is to release the lock bar so that the blade rotates freely, wrist flick it and then quickly release the lock bar so that the blade will lockup when it reaches the stop.

However, if you use an abrupt downward and forward motion with the knife handle held parallel to the ground, you can deploy and lock open the knife in that way, as I can with every other compression lock Spyderco that I own.

So, there are actually 4 ways to deploy the Tropen blade.
 
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