Tru-Oil Finishing?

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I kinda looking for Steve Ferguson with help, but sure would welcome any other advise.

It looks like I'll be refinishing a few mil-surp rifles. A Yugo 27/44 will probably be the first. (this is your fault AA!).

I've read that Tru-Oil is good for refinishing stocks. I don't know anything about it. Is it like Tung Oil? Can I use Tung Oil instead of Tru-Oil because I have it on hand?

How do I apply Tru-Oil and where should I get it?

And anything else you guys can offer on this refinishing topic.

Thanks, in advance.
 
:D

I'll take the blame for encouraging milsurp collecting but I am far from being a woodchuck. I've done 1 rifle 1 time with Tru-Oil.

You can get the stuff at sporting good stores, possibly wallyworld.

And there are threads/tutorials right here, I am pretty sure, on its use by knowledgeble folks... ddean or Steve Ferguson, I think, among others. Can search archives.

Think positive, maybe your new Mauser won't have the uglies....
 
I believe True Oil's base ingrediant is lineseed oil, but I could be wrong. I've refinished several Garands, an SKS, a Mauser, and some pistol and knife grips with it. Unlike linseed oil, it drys fast. You can adjust the finish by how many coats you apply and how you finish it. It is possible to get a fairly high gloss out of it though I prefer the satin finish look. After being used, you can still put a wood oil on the stock to preserve it, but you cannot apply True Oil and many other finishes if you've oiled the stock beforehand.

I'd put some on a small thing first to see how it goes. It is easy to use.
Make sure the previous coat really is dry before applying another; it's easy to go too fast because it appears dry when in fact it is not.

munk
 
Its different from Tung Oil. It builds a hard clearcoat which must be sanded between coats. I get it a Wal-Mart in the gun section. It takes a bunch of coats IIRC.

I read Dan Koster recommend wipe on poly for khuk handles too.

Steve is the expert. Sounds fun though.
 
I use boiled linseed or tung oil, whatever's around, cut with some acetone to get it into the wood faster. Preparing the stock for a new finish is at least as important as applying that finish; take your time and make sure to get all of the old oil and grease out of the wood before applying anything new.
 
Ad Astra said:
:D

I'll take the blame for encouraging milsurp collecting but I am far from being a woodchuck. I've done 1 rifle 1 time with Tru-Oil.

You can get the stuff at sporting good stores, possibly wallyworld.

And there are threads/tutorials right here, I am pretty sure, on its use by knowledgeble folks... ddean or Steve Ferguson, I think, among others. Can search archives.

Think positive, maybe your new Mauser won't have the uglies....

AA, I suspect you and HD have gotten me into something at least as expensive as my ex-wife!

But, I'm having fun.

Soon, I won't know whether to shoot or stab an intruder. Decisions, decisions.
 
Dave Rishar said:
I use boiled linseed or tung oil, whatever's around, cut with some acetone to get it into the wood faster. Preparing the stock for a new finish is at least as important as applying that finish; take your time and make sure to get all of the old oil and grease out of the wood before applying anything new.

Hi Dave:

May I ask how to get the old cosmolene out of the stock?
 
Hi guys,
I did my K31 with Tru-oil, and it turned out too shiny for me. I think if I strip it back down, and lightly rub it with 0000 steel wool or a scotchbrite pad, It would look a lot better. After reading the K31 forum, Tru-Oil is heresy to a lot of the milsurp guys who strive for 100% accuracy. But so would any other modern finishes. Tru-Oil is mostly linseed oil with some driers and thinners. I like tung oil too and think it would do a good job. Anything that penetrates the wood should do a good job for you. Thinning it like Dave said sounds like a great idea.

I've of people using aerosol brake parts cleaner to get the cosmoline off. Anybody know if that's a good idea?

Steve
 
Steve Poll said:
Soon, I won't know whether to shoot or stab an intruder. Decisions, decisions.

That's why they come with bayonets. :D


Mike


I've used Easy-Off oven cleaner to remove old commie oil from stocks... heard of one guy ran a stock through his dishwasher.
 
I use Hoppe's #Nine to clean the cosmoline. I hope no one does what I used to do; sand all the bad stuff off. You must 'lift' the bad stuff off first with a cleaning agent.
I would like to hear from a Wood Chuck on which degreaser type cleaners are best for fine wood.


munk
 
The old-timers used to soak the stock in gasoline to leach out the saturated oil and grease. They'd put the stock in a long shallow container, cover it with gasoline, sit back, light up a Lucky and wait for....
Well, there are probably better ways to do it. :eek:
 
My son had one helluva great CO when he was in the National Guard full time down in Mississippi.
Sam was National Guard but went to several RA schools including the one at Ft. Sill where he got his Air Assault Wings, that's a no gimme course!!!! Anyway Sam always had a problem getting the weapons he was over clean enough to pass inspection so he asked what one of the guys who constantly passed with flying colors what he used.
The answer was the Easy Off Oven Cleaner. What Sam failed to do was ask the guy how to use it so the next time his unit came in from the field they sprayed their weapons down with the oven cleaner and let them set until the next day.
When they came in to finish cleaning the rifles damned near all the finish was stripped off the steel!!!! :eek:
His CO had to have them all sent in for refinishing, needless to say Sam never used oven cleaner again even though he learned that you sprayed it on, let it set for a little while, and then cleaned the weapon.
Sam said the CO was a great guy and that he thought a lot of my son because by all rights the US Army could've charged Sam all it cost for the weapons refinishing job and that was just for starters.

Whatever you use Do Not Use GASOLINE For Any Cleaning Purposes!!!!
It is too burn in your vehicles as a fuel only and never, ever, start a fire with it!!!!
I guess maybe I oughta take some pix of my scars and post them, that should deter anyone from using gasoline for anything except its intended purpose!!!! :( :grumpy:
 
Scrubbing Bubbles bathroom cleaner does a pretty good job removing cosmoline, believe it or not:)
 
Ad Astra said:
That's why they come with bayonets. :D


Mike


I've used Easy-Off oven cleaner to remove old commie oil from stocks... heard of one guy ran a stock through his dishwasher.

You have helped me see it all clearly now, AA!

By the way, I'm going to just mail you my credit card. Then I can wait for my gun of the week to arrive.
 
ferguson said:
Hi guys,
I did my K31 with Tru-oil, and it turned out too shiny for me. I think if I strip it back down, and lightly rub it with 0000 steel wool or a scotchbrite pad, It would look a lot better. After reading the K31 forum, Tru-Oil is heresy to a lot of the milsurp guys who strive for 100% accuracy. But so would any other modern finishes. Tru-Oil is mostly linseed oil with some driers and thinners. I like tung oil too and think it would do a good job. Anything that penetrates the wood should do a good job for you. Thinning it like Dave said sounds like a great idea.

I've of people using aerosol brake parts cleaner to get the cosmoline off. Anybody know if that's a good idea?

Steve

Hi Steve:

What is the correct authentic method to refinish a mil-surp wood stock, then?

Maybe that is what I should attempt?
 
2 cans of brake cleaner per rifle melts the worst of cosmo off the metal. Wear gloves... bag of old t-shirts. Brake cleaner too harsh on wood stocks, you'll see...

boiling water gets it off the wood, it can't take heat. Easy-Off helps get oil out of wood, but I bet it would eat metal- I think it has bleach in it.

Yugo SKS's are awesome cosmo-bombs. Everywhere and if you don't take the bolt apart and get the firing pin, they can slam fire full auto.

But the 24/47 Yugo- that was 60-yr. old cosmo and really bad.

whole gun, Tru-Oil stock:

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forend that can never match in flat black & satin poly:

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there are 100 ways. all are hard work. you do bond with the ugly new bastid during the process.


Mike
 
I seem to recall from this topic previously in this forum someone using Windex to clean cosmoline.
I never felt cosmoline a problem. I've gone through a lot of SKS's. The windex would be nicer than Hoppes 9, cheaper.

If True Oil is too bright use sandpaper to dull it, or don't put on so many coats. I know many here make their khuk handles look like they're under glass or under water, but I like a satin finish.

I don't like oven cleaner on wood. Bri in Chi; there must be something better than that or gasoline to lift stains and the military gunge off.

munk
 
I refinished a shotgun stock with Tru-Oil a few years ago, and have done several handgun grips since then. The shotgun action had been over-oiled and the extra oil had run down into the stock. I just grabbed a bunch of cotton balls and a bottle of rubbing alcohol and was able to lift almost all of the oil out of the stock. In my Brownell's Gunsmith Kinks books some smiths recommend wrapping the stock in kleenex and then aluminum foil and baking in the overn at 180 degrees for a while. Then cleaning with naptha or similar cleaners. But I would think the alcohol would get the cosmoline off no problem, and it does dry quickly.

I went to the local sporting goods store and bought the Tru-Oil stock refinish kit. Comes with steel wool, some burlap for rubbing, stock conditioner and tru-oil and directions. It was very easy. The hardest part was waiting for each coat to dry. I would apply a coat and then kill the shine a bit with the steel wool and then apply another coat. Ended up putting 10 coats on it and it looked very nice but super glossy. I probably took way longer than I needed to but wasn't in a hurry. Steve has a slightly different procedure for doing khuk handles, and it is posted here on the forum. Like Munk I also prefer a satin finish, and the Tru-Oil can get really glossy if you put a bunch of coats on.


BTW, from the Gunsmith Kinks Vol. 1 on the Tru-Oil Stock finish:

"For the fellow wanting a doggone fast stock finish it surely is the answer. Gives an oil finish in less than a day and if done right both fills and finishes. Apply one coat quite heavy and in two hours rub it down to the wood with 400 wet-or-dry paper and water - let dry. Apply a second coat, but not so heavily, and repeat the rub. If the wood is not too brash (
?-nlm), the third coat, hand rubbed should do it. The next day (or that evening) apply a good silicone wax and, Brother! is it purty. A 2 oz. bottle is enough for several guns. A good retail item to go along with G-B Linspeed Finish."


Related item on the Tru-Oil bottles (I have run into this myself):

"Keeping the bottle sealed. I have found that it is almost impossible to put the lid on a bottle of Tru-Oil without it forming a heavy film as paint does in a can not tightly sealed - and consequently losing a lot of it. I wrap a piece of half-inch masking tape around the lid, which seals it well enough that there seems to be very little loss."


Norm
 
Here's the Rishar Method for cleaning up a milsurp stock.

First, grease removal:

Remove as much metal hardware as you can. If it's a crossbolt, or you can't figure out how to remove it or don't have the proper tools to do so, leave it. Most cleaning agents will work. Do not be afraid of the water-based ones; we're going to be raising the grain later anyway so it's not an issue. (And it will remove some of those dents.) I honestly use whatever's laying around but I'm particularly partial currently to Simple Green and water as hot as my hands can stand. (I actually clean the weapon like this also, believe it or not.) The hot water aids considerably in softening/loosening the congealed grease and Simple Green will dissolve it. Use a plastic bristle brush, plenty of water, and plenty of soap. Rinse often. It shouldn't take too long.

Next, unsealing the wood:

Many milsurp stocks have one or more coats of laquer applied to them. It was quick, easy, and cheap to apply, so that's what most armies used. It also looks like crap and hampers our efforts. It's possible to sand it off but the Rishar Method is based on a "do no harm" philosophy of restoration and we want to avoid heavy sanding, so chemical removal is the way to go. I use Citristrip -- not because it's great, but because it was cheap and I have a lot of it laying around. If you have something better, use that. I let the Citristrip sit for a good hour or so, scrub everything down with the bristle brush, and hose it off in the shower with hot water. Sometimes I do this a second time but it's not usually necessary except with the Russian stocks. After the stock is dry any remaining varnish will be easy to spot. If it's just a bit left, don't worry about it...the next step will remove it.

Third, whiting:

Whiting is the traditional term for a substance used to draw the old finish out of a stock. There are recipes available, some of which are quite hazardous. Brownell's sells it. It's expensive. Easy-Off Oven Cleaner is about $4 per can, which will do two or three stocks. Warming the stock ahead of time helps but is not necessary. Spray on a good coat of Easy-Off and let it sit for a a half hour or so, scrub it down with the bristle brush, and rinse it off with very hot water. After even one application you should see a remarkable difference in the wood. Repeat as necessary. I can usually get away with just one or two applications.

At this point, take a good, long look at your stock. Any damage, previous repairs, faint arsenal markings, and the very figure of the wood itself will be at its most visible. Where do you want to go? Simple restoration, or do you want to spiff it up? Choose wisely: it's going to be permanent.

Most military stocks are not cut from the best looking wood, if you know what I mean. If the thing is unforgivably ugly, AND if it is not a particularly collectible piece, AND you really want to stain it, go ahead and stain it. I have had to do this with a few Russian stocks. (And really, all the other ones deserved it. I have pieces of firewood with better figure to them.) I'm partial to Minwax English Chestnut if you want a light brown and Cherry if you want a red one. Follow the directions on the can.

Oven cleaner is not the nicest stuff in the world. It will damage some surfaces, it's rough on your hands, and it smells terrible. It is by far the most effective product that I've ever used for this, though, including actual whiting. I don't believe that it harms the wood...at least, I've never noticed any damage from it. Remember, don't leave it on all night -- just a half hour to an hour is fine. Wear eye protection.

Fourth, oiling and sanding:

Keep this in the back of your mind: DO NO HARM. If you alter the dimensions of the stock or obliterate markings on it, it's permanent. Less sanding is more.

Option A: Lay down a coat of oil of your choice. BLO and tung are both acceptable from a milsurp collector's point of view and will leave a "military" finish. If you did the oven cleaner thing correctly your stock will soak up oil like a sponge initially. Give it a generous coat, let it sit for five minutes, wipe off any excess and let it dry overnight. If it completely absorbed the first coat before five minutes was up (and it very well might), keep repeating that until a coat sits for five minutes, wipe off what's left, and let it dry. When dry, knock off the raised grain with #220 or finer wet/dry sandpaper and repeat the oiling. Keep doing this until it looks good to you and shift to finer sandpaper if desired, but #220 is plenty fine for a rifle stock and, again, looks "military."

Option B: Same as above but instead of waiting for the coat of oil to dry, wet sand the stock. This will produce a sort of slurry of wood dust, grit, and oil that will tend to fill the grain more effectively. If the mix gums up, apply some mineral spirits to get things going again. Be careful not to clog up markings. Work your way up the grits until it's as smooth as you want. Depending on how fine you go the look will be less "military" but it will still look good. Kinda like "select military," if there is such a thing.

Some folks cover it all up with something synthetic afterwards, which (to me) cheapens the looks of the finish and removes most of the advantages of an oil finish in the first place. Alternately, just apply more oil. The Golden Rule of Oil Finishes: once coat a day for a week, one coat a week for a month, one coat a month for a year, one coat a year after that. Scuffs and scrapes can be easily sanded out and a bit more oil applied over the repair. It's not weatherproof, but is nearly so. It's cool to the touch in the summer, warm to the touch in the winter, and "sticks" to your hands correctly when gripped. And, if done right, it's quite attractive.

If you want more shine than a simple oil finish provides, throw some Ballistol on there. Both the wood and the metal (if you're as sloppy as me) will thank you for it and it will be about as shiny as any military stock deserves to be.

One final thing: I did not want to get on here and bash Tru-Oil, but as has already been pointed out, it's considered a cardinal sin by most milsurp collectors to foul a military stock with it. It is your gun and you're free to do what you wish with it, but it's my humble opinion that an oil finish looks better.

Read. Experiment. Your fifth stock will look better than your first and your tenth will be better than both. Even if it doesn't turn out as well as you'd hoped it will hardly look worse than it did when you started, and you're making it yours in the process.
 
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