Turning a serrated edge into a plain edge?

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I don't live in the USA and it's impossible to find a Voyager XL plain edge here. So I bought a Voyager XL Tanto serrated edge as a SD resource to be used in house if needed. Of course, I hope to never need it.

I read that serrated edges may not be ideal for SD, as they tend to get stuck (for instance, in clothes). I'm quite happy with my Voyager, but I wonder if in the future I could make it better turning the serrated edge into a plain edge. I know it's feasible, but... do you think it's a good idea?
 
Watching this video I get the impression that a serrated Voyager would prove quite effective cutting through clothing, and what lies beneath-


Converting a serrated edge into a plain edge would result in a thicker edge that might not cut as well.
 
the cold steel serrations aren't good for much but self defense or soft material cutting. they are exactly perfect for self defense. exactly the opposite of what youre thinking. they'll cut through clothing easily. knives as weapons is a poor choice though for self defense. unless one is trained well. even well trained if the attacker has a knife to and can use it well...there will be no winner clean and safe, its all losing. firearms are superior if one can own and carry one. we have proof here in the USA on a daily basis unfortunately showing this to be true.

to be noted cold steel serrations are a bear to sharpen without the right tool to do it.

converting a serrated knife to a plain edge to me isn't worth the effort. I get the inability to get a plain edge though easily. maybe see if they'll order you one though if that's your choice.
 
removing serrations completely ??
good luck with that !
and that too it's only if you have
the right abrasives for the job.
the edge bevel has to be reset
at a much more accute angle.
but why not stick with what you
have got now, before attempting
anything regrettable.
you need to be your own tester
if you are considering sd use.
i would say you need to at least try out
the knife's actual cutting ability on all the
seasonal clothing that is worn
in your neck of the woods.
your confidence would be better
once the results are in.
just take note of which materials exactly
to stay away from besides figuring different defensive approaches to prolong
life.
 
It can be done even with a lansky angle system but it will take ages and ages!!! I have seen it done and you wont necessarily lose much but to do it properly i would get a ''local'' knife maker to do it... would be much quicker....

Where in the world are you? I am in the UK and get everything imported via a freight forwarder in the USA... Its costing about $15 for a package to get sent to me
 
Watching this video I get the impression that a serrated Voyager would prove quite effective cutting through clothing, and what lies beneath-


Converting a serrated edge into a plain edge would result in a thicker edge that might not cut as well.

Great video and excellent advice, thanks.

the cold steel serrations aren't good for much but self defense or soft material cutting. they are exactly perfect for self defense. exactly the opposite of what youre thinking. they'll cut through clothing easily. knives as weapons is a poor choice though for self defense. unless one is trained well. even well trained if the attacker has a knife to and can use it well...there will be no winner clean and safe, its all losing. firearms are superior if one can own and carry one. we have proof here in the USA on a daily basis unfortunately showing this to be true.

to be noted cold steel serrations are a bear to sharpen without the right tool to do it.

converting a serrated knife to a plain edge to me isn't worth the effort. I get the inability to get a plain edge though easily. maybe see if they'll order you one though if that's your choice.

I don't believe everything I read in forums, so I wasn't thinking anything. That's why I said "I read that"...

Firearms are indeed much superior to blades, but they require serious training, and also maintenance, which a stainless steel blade doesn't need. My wife already have some firearm training, so in the future it may become an option. In any case, I don't intend to carry a gun, or a big blade, in the streets; I just want to have defense options at home.

removing serrations completely ??
good luck with that !
and that too it's only if you have
the right abrasives for the job.
the edge bevel has to be reset
at a much more accute angle.
but why not stick with what you
have got now, before attempting
anything regrettable.
you need to be your own tester
if you are considering sd use.
i would say you need to at least try out
the knife's actual cutting ability on all the
seasonal clothing that is worn
in your neck of the woods.
your confidence would be better
once the results are in.
just take note of which materials exactly
to stay away from besides figuring different defensive approaches to prolong
life.

Thanks for the advice! I will definitely stick with what I have.

It can be done even with a lansky angle system but it will take ages and ages!!! I have seen it done and you wont necessarily lose much but to do it properly i would get a ''local'' knife maker to do it... would be much quicker....

Where in the world are you? I am in the UK and get everything imported via a freight forwarder in the USA... Its costing about $15 for a package to get sent to me

It seems that the conversion is not a good idea, but there's no doubt that a local knife maker would do a much better (and faster) job than me.

I'm in Brazil. Here, taxes (and, nowadays, shipping fees) are unbelievable; and there's always the fear of getting Chinese junk.

I got everything I could from the local "Rainforest store" (luckily, before a considerable price increase) and that's it.

If its in the home why use a folder? A good fixed blade is so much better.

Some fixed blades are weaker than this folder... Anyway, I really like Cold Steel, but I have some other options. Depending on where in the house I am, I can entertain an intruder with a fixed blade, a big sharpening stick or even an axe. Don't get me wrong, I'm a peaceful guy. But...
 
Send it to me and I'll regrind it to plain edge, and even thinner behind the edge than it started.

ETA: Oh... Brazil? I don't know if it would be worth the cost to you. My cost is low, but then there is shipping both ways.
 
you don't need a gun,just get an off-duty cop :)

jokes aside,CS serrations are very good for cutting and slashing fabrics.

like others recommended,get a fixed blade instead of a folder.

CS Marauder with serrations would be my choice
 
Send it to me and I'll regrind it to plain edge, and even thinner behind the edge than it started.

ETA: Oh... Brazil? I don't know if it would be worth the cost to you. My cost is low, but then there is shipping both ways.

The shipping costs are prohibitive. But I really appreciate your offer, thanks!

Probably your best bet. If it were my knife, the serrations would be gone within a few minutes of it entering my possession.

I understand that and I don't see myself buying yet another serrated knife. But speaking frankly, I'm starting to love this one.

you don't need a gun,just get an off-duty cop :)

jokes aside,CS serrations are very good for cutting and slashing fabrics.

like others recommended,get a fixed blade instead of a folder.

CS Marauder with serrations would be my choice

I don't need a cop... have you ever be married?

Jokes apart, the word "instead" doesn't fit here. I'm getting older, so I like to have a few (?) SD options at hand. I certainly don't have an axe and a big sharpening stick for SD, but I can use them for SD. And I have some knives. A big folder like this is just yet another option.
 
I'm not sold on the serrations getting caught in clothing thing. Matthew Culbertson and his brother have many videos like the one posted above of serrated edge cut tests on pork covered in denim and I have yet to see their serrated blades get caught. I would like to see (and may do it myself) someone do a series of tests (slash and stab) against a variety of common clothing types on top of meat to see if they can get serrations caught and put this to rest for good.
 
I also think "serrations vs plainedge" is a huge rabbit hole because there are so many styles of serrations, and I think all styles all do somethings better than others. My definition of a serration is any size sharpened recurve, all the way up to the singular curve of a hawkbill.
 
As far as the blade getting snagged, who knows. But if you choke down on that handle (which I believe is best) even if it does snag or get stuck the devil himself wouldn't be able to yank the knife out of your hand. I think its a bad ass knife for that reason alone. You're wasting your money messing with it imo.
 
I won't bother with my two cents on the serrated-versus-plain debate. Suffice it to say that if I was facing someone holding one of these, the last thing I'd be concerned about is whether his blade might get caught up in my clothing.

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I've seen plenty of Cold Steel's demonstrations of cutting tests with serrated blades. I seriously doubt any fabric is going to slow those knives, let alone stop them.


-Steve
 
I won't bother with my two cents on the serrated-versus-plain debate. Suffice it to say that if I was facing someone holding one of these, the last thing I'd be concerned about is whether his blade might get caught up in my clothing.

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I've seen plenty of Cold Steel's demonstrations of cutting tests with serrated blades. I seriously doubt any fabric is going to slow those knives, let alone stop them.


-Steve
If they are sharp I don't see how that would happen. I tried it out(earlier this year, this discussion comes up now and then) on some of my old clothes/towels/leather jacket with no problem. CS, Spyderco, Benchmade and a cheap Chinese kitchen knife. I would imagine adrenaline helping out too. Could be some clothing I am missing though.
 
I find it interesting that for his own knives Andrew Demko chose to use Spyderco's serration pattern rather than Cold Steel's.

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I wonder if that decision was based on performance, difficulty/cost of manufacture, ease of resharpening, or some combination of all of those considerations. Of course, he's no longer affiliated with Cold Steel, and as far as I know the Cold Steel serration pattern is proprietary, so he may not have had a choice.


-Steve
 
I find it interesting that for his own knives Andrew Demko chose to use Spyderco's serration pattern rather than Cold Steel's.

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I wonder if that decision was based on performance, difficulty/cost of manufacture, ease of resharpening, or some combination of all of those considerations. Of course, he's no longer affiliated with Cold Steel, and as far as I know the Cold Steel serration pattern is proprietary, so he may not have had a choice.


-Steve
I would think to distance himself from CS Designs. I think it is a better design, but I have no problem with CS's Design either. Both will do their job.
 
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