Type of grind?

gunslinger387

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Probably a rookie question but what type of grind does Nathan put on his knives and why? I know everything is for a purpose but what is the advantage versus a different type of grind i.e. scandi grind vs. v grind vs convex grind?
 
Well, I don’t know that I am all that qualified to answer your questions. I’ll tell you what I think I understand and anyone else can chime in and make corrections and additions.

I think that Nathan state’s that for many of his models he uses a flat grind. I think that some of his choppers have a mild “S” grind. He can and does do other grinds on a limited basis. I recently received a sweet hollow ground Utility Fighter.

As far as the different grinds and purposes, again, I’ll give you my limited understanding and am open to additions and corrections.

With all of these grinds, the intent and purpose of the knife use must be taken into consideration. The various grinds have to to be applied correctly. I’ve seen quite a few that weren’t. For some knives, the type of grind may just be for esthetics and function is secondary. I will state that all of the CPK knives are highly functional. I’m pretty sure no one will dispute that.

Seems to me that the hollow grinds are are often used to thin down the material behind the edge, but still provide adequate spine thickness and strength so that the material that the edge is cutting can slide up the main bevels with less resistance or binding. Overdone, the edge may be weaker than with other grinds and where the hollow grind ends near the spine may create a real binding point. Done correctly, the hollow grind can make for a beautiful and nicely functioning knife. Of course, if you’re stabbing something, the degree of hollow grind may not really matter and strength of the blade may be more important.

From what I’ve read, the purpose of the convex grind is to provide for a bit more thickness behind the cutting edge and more of a forced release of the material being cut. Supposed to make for a stronger edge. Again, done well, they can work just fine. I’ve used a number of utility knives with, what I felt were overly convex blades. They didn’t bite or cut as well as other grinds and required more force to get through the material being cut. I think that many choppers and axes are convex ground to handle the higher cutting forces and some feature “S” grinds for better chip release. The modern competition choppers may have mild to flat “S” grinds.

The flat grind seems to be a very nice all around and capable choice for edge strength and material release. It can be ground to provide the same “behind the edge” thicknesses, release, and bite abilities as the other grinds, and maybe more straight forward to form. I’ve seen flat grinds with convex, as opposed to flat edge bevels, also.

It is my understanding that the scandi grind was developed as a more specialized edge for more straight forward sharpening. The scandi grind features a much larger edge bevel than on other knives and is often “zero” ground. This means that that wide edge bevel is flat ground right to a sharp apex, no secondary edge bevel. This configuration allows one to easily lay the bevel flat on a sharpening stone or other abrasive object conveniently located in the field, and bring the edge back without having to worry about holding the knife at a certain angle to match the original edge bevel. Once again, proper application for the type of steel used, the heat treat, and the intended application is most important to have a knife that functions properly as needed.

Micro bevels, very small, slightly more obtuse bevels can be applied to many of these edge bevels if desired. For example, creating a sharp edge at 15° per side, then adding a 20° per side micro bevel to help create a slightly more durable edge, if needed or desired.

Ine also has to be aware of what a knife maker or production maker/company’s intended market. Of it is a custom and the maker knows the customer and how the knife will be used, it may allow for more refinement of the overall. If the knives are going to a public that is just as apt to use it as a screw driver/prying tool, then the steels, heat treats, and grinds are apt to be very different.

Well, I hope this helps a bit and is not too full of unintended misinformation. Mike
 
To add to Mike's detailed post above, there's also the consideration of ease for the user/owner to touch up the edges on the different types of grinds.

As Mike mentioned, a Scandi/Scandinavian grind is easy to touch up, due to not having a secondary bevel. You just lay the blade on the whetstone. Sharpening one/touching up the edge is pretty similar to doing so with a chisel.

The downside is that the edge is less durable than other grind types. Good for things like carving wood, or slicing, but more fragile for chopping and you don't want to use a Scandi grind for batoning. Off angle/lateral forces can warp the edge of a Scandi grind more easily than the others.

A convex grind is more forgiving to lateral forces (bad chop angle, or splitting/batoning wood with wavy grain), due to having more meat behind the edge, and the lack of a shoulder between a primary and secondary bevel, can reduce drag in the material being cut/chopped (although as Mike mentioned, not all convex grinds are equal), but there are downsides as well.

A lot of folks have trouble cutting anything in a somewhat straight line, with a convex grind. A flat grind, or flat(ish) primary bevel sort of acts as a plane that keeps the blade straight(ish). The curve on convex grinds requires the user to do so.

The other downside is that many folks are used to sharpening edges with either a secondary bevel, or a Scandi/flat grind.

Sharpening a convex grind requires different methods. I know of more than one person who's bought a convex grind knife, and wound up putting a secondary bevel on it the first time they needed to sharpen it, simply because that's what they're used to, and what's easiest for them.

CPK knives have a primary and secondary bevel. When done properly (as any CPK owner can attest), there is minimal drag at the shoulder of the primary and secondary bevels. It basically combines the strengths of the other grind types, with ease of touching up the edge (for the majority of folks who sharpen their own knives) when it's required.

The larger choppers also have CPK's S-grind, which through lots of testing (especially with the Bladesports choppers, where seconds and fractions of seconds, count), help pop the chips when chopping wood, and experience less binding when chopping deep.

If you've ever chopped a lot of wood with different axes, machetes and large knives, you'll have noticed that some of them bind in the wood a LOT more than others. Some of them need to be pried/worked out of the cut on every deep chop (obviously, the type of wood/material being chopped also plays a role in this). Nathan tested various types of grinds and his solution minimizes binding and aids in popping the wood chips free, well enough to have won numerous (and still counting :D) competitions already.

If you want one heckuva large knife for chopping, I absolutely wholeheartedly recommend the Behemother. It has the grinds and design features Nate uses in the competition choppers, and more mass and length. It's one heckuva chopper!
 
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