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Bad unfortuneate turn of events with Argyle1812

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zippo123

zippo123

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Was not going to say anything, let it slide, I do not like doing this stuff, but it kind of weighs heavy on my heart…

Buying transaction went south with Argyle1812 and he left me a rather harsh negative review….my first negative review…that I feel was not really deserved…

This is the series of events…I did not leave out anything to buttress my case, I DID make some mistakes, in judgement


Facts:
Made an pm offer on knife…I did not post an “I will take it“ on thread
*PM offer was accepted by seller
Mistake 1
(*was thinking of buying direct same knife form Buck, had gotten a 20 percent off coupon that morning, informed seller I got this coupon and was rethinking the buy and he rightly pointed out I would have to pay taxes..(good point) ..deal was better from Argyle1812, so I decided to buy from seller instead of from Buck Direct which would hve been more expensive.
*Mistake 2 …..paid him Reg Paypal, with $5 extra to cover PP fees….0n paypal credit ( his ad DID state paypal FF only, I just screwed up and did paypal regular with a fee kicker thrown in as I usually do to make seller whole or better without thinking…
* He pm me, that I did not follwing his payment FF rule, sounded a bit pissed , and that he would ship out on Monday (this was Friday)
Mistake 3
* On hindsight, I should have left it at that….however..
*I was feeling bad, because I screwed up payment, and he seemed annoyed that he did not get paid FF, so offered to do paypal FF, if that is what he really wanted….
* He was happy and refunded my papal back
* The refund came in but did not clear the paypal credit charge, and since he was not going to ship for two days, I wanted that time for paypal to clear the first transaction before I made a second transaction. I fully intended to buy the knife…but stated if someone offered him more money during that time, I would understand if he took it.
* He did not agree, and stated unless I paid for item he was going to leave me a negative review..
* At this point I did not feel good about the threat of a negative review and that he would not let my paypal credit first process through so I backed out of the sale.
* Then he leaves a rather severe negative review on my record record.
* He sold knife to someone else shortly after for same price.

I thought he was rather quick to ruin the record of a fellow member, and the negative review was over the top as well …I am sure he is a nice guy and good honest person to deal with, .maybe he had a bad day and I was in his scope sights…who knows..
maybe I am totally wrong in my feeling, ( I did made some errors in judgement,) but I feel the punishment handed out did not merit the crime if any that was committed…

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Agreed, no deal took place and negative feedback shouldn't have been warranted. If you paid him already, I don't understand why he would refund your payment, just to have you turn around and pay again. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
Disagreements happen, but threatening a negative review to get what you want sounds a little too “Karen on Yelp” to me, and that’s in poor taste. Waiting for transactions to clear is perfectly logical.

BladeForums is a cross-section of society, with all the quick tempers many every day people exhibit. It’s a good choice to tell your side of the story when someone is quick on the negative review trigger.

Edited to add: It also would appear after reviewing the negative rating write-up that the OP tried to haggle on the price AFTER making an offer (because of a coupon), and probably agitated the seller in doing so.
 
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No sir there was no post agreement haggling going on. The sellers deal was still a better deal as it stood than thru Buck when you figured in the taxes
 
We decide? Post up the messages between you two so we can see exactly what happened.
 
zippo123 said:
*I made a mistake…and paid him Reg Paypal, with $5 extra to cover fees….0n paypal credit ( his ad DID state paypal FF only)
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I don't think you made a mistake in the first round. His FF payment only request is against the Exchange rules, the way I read them at least:
  • Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER not the Buyer. This is for your protection.
  • Paypal "friends & family" is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. This is for your protection.
It says "Insurance" not "Shipping Insurance", meaning payment insurance being part of the seller's responsibility is part of the rules.

This whole FF only that we see recently is a real let-down, IMO. Sellers do it to get around tax payments. Why is this acceptable ?
 
ferider said:
I don't think you made a mistake in the first round. His FF payment only request is against the Exchange rules, the way I read them at least:
  • Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER not the Buyer. This is for your protection.
  • Paypal "friends & family" is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. This is for your protection.
It says "Insurance" not "Shipping Insurance", meaning payment insurance being part of the seller's responsibility is part of the rules.

This whole FF only that we see recently is a real let-down, IMO. Sellers do it to get around tax payments. Why is this acceptable ?
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Let’s not make every GBU thread about discontent with use of PayPal. That horse is dead and beaten to a pulp.
 
Would have been a lot easier to just read his ad and pay him the way he requested.

I do disagree with the unnecessary negative feedback post. The buyer didnt follow the terms and was refunded. The seller then sold his knife to someone else. What’s the problem?

Looking forward to the seller’s response.
 
ferider said:
I don't think you made a mistake in the first round. His FF payment only request is against the Exchange rules, the way I read them at least:
  • Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER not the Buyer. This is for your protection.
  • Paypal "friends & family" is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. This is for your protection.
It says "Insurance" not "Shipping Insurance", meaning payment insurance being part of the seller's responsibility is part of the rules.

This whole FF only that we see recently is a real let-down, IMO. Sellers do it to get around tax payments. Why is this acceptable ?
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Roland, I believe your interpretation is incorrect.

First, while F&F is strongly discouraged, it is not, at present, against the rules. It is a recommendation. The buyer and seller decide.

Second, it is shipping insurance that is being referred to. Insuring the item at the point of shipping protects the shipper (seller), not the buyer, and is his or her responsibility.. This way, if the package is lost, theoretically the shipper will be made whole again. (Reality may be different than theory in many cases.)

The buyer should always be made whole for any item not received, regardless of whether the shipper (seller) paid for insurance or not...unless other terms were agreed to previously by both parties.

The two matters, insurance and PayPal are separate and should not be considered as integral to one another.
 
ferider said:
I don't think you made a mistake in the first round. His FF payment only request is against the Exchange rules, the way I read them at least:
  • Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER not the Buyer. This is for your protection.
  • Paypal "friends & family" is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. This is for your protection.
It says "Insurance" not "Shipping Insurance", meaning payment insurance being part of the seller's responsibility is part of the rules.
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I disagree. While The Rules strongly discourage F&F payments, Spark has repeatedly posted that he will not prohibit the use of that option.
As far as the insurance piece, of course it refers to shipping insurance. There were a lot of sellers openly stating that insurance was available at an extra cost to the buyer (that predates the inclusive pricing requirement)
ferider said:
This whole FF only that we see recently is a real let-down, IMO. Sellers do it to get around tax payments. Why is this acceptable ?
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Agreed. I have long had a very negative view of those requesting/insisting upon F&F payments (that predates not only the change in tax law, but my membership on this site).

*Edited to add - I got distracted by my pups & took way too long to finish & submit this post. Blues covered it
 
hhmoore said:
Agreed. I have long had a very negative view of those requesting/insisting upon F&F payments (that predates not only the change in tax law, but my membership on this site).

*Edited to add - I got distracted by my pups & took way too long to finish & submit this post. Blues covered it
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Thanks for clarifying, Blues Blues . And I concur, HHM, including that pups always have to come before BF :)
 
No feedback should have been given, but in opening this thread you have outed yourself as a bit of a flakey buyer. That said the seller does not come off well by threatening .
Be sure you want the item and are ready to follow through before the I'll take it, and read the thread-in the future. Since the mistakes were yours, you should have finished with the payment(even though refund had not cleared), unless you financially found this impossible.
Use it as a learning experience and do better in the future.
 
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Peter Hartwig said:
No feedback should have been given, but in opening this thread you have outed yourself as a bit of a flakey buyer. That said the seller does not come off well by threatening .
Be sure you want the item and are ready to follow through before the I'll take it, and read the thread-in the future. Since the mistakes were yours, you should have finished with the payment(even though refund had not cleared), unless you financially found this impossible.
Use it as a learning experience and do better in the future.
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agreed…sound advice and good point…thanks…as a seeing eye guide dog raiser, it easier working and understanding dogs than people for me, ha.
 
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Nothing really much to add here that hasnt already been said by other members. zippo made me a decent offer which I accepted. Then he presented the coupon he had which left a bad taste in my mouth. IMO if you already made an offer telling me about a coupon you have just feels like trying to change the deal after its already been agreed on. He sent funds via G&S which I tend to avoid for tax reasons (as do a large majority of sales now on the exchange). I informed him of his mistake and he offered to have me refund him and start over, which I agreed with and refunded him promptly. When he then told me needed a few days to pay again that just sounded like an excuse to get out of the deal to me (I could well be wrong but IME Paypal never has delays like he mentioned). At this point I felt like I was being jerked around a little and moved on to another buyer. I do agree that negative feedback may be a bit harsh but the whole transaction felt very slimy to me.
 
argyle1812 said:
I do agree that negative feedback may be a bit harsh but the whole transaction felt very slimy to me.
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Feedback wasn’t warranted in this case and will be deleted.

However there’s another issue concerning you that needs to be addressed.

After this thread was started, I checked your profile as I tend to do when members have a GBU thread about them.

I noticed you had a neutral feedback, after reading the reason why I contacted the member who left the feedback.

Correct me if I’m wrong, buyer paid for an item with F&F and never received the item or compensation… I believe the item was lost in transit.

This occurred in the May, feedback was left in June.

Curious what you plan on doing about this, the buyer has waited long enough for resolution.
 
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