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Upgrading to Vista?

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Hi,

I just bought Vista and plan on upgrading my rig to it. My current set up is a 3-HD machine (+ one removeable), Intel Dual Core, 2GB RAM. I know that the hardware is sufficient for Vista. What I am looking for is specific directions on how to upgrade. In particular:
1 - Should I unplug my non-C drives?
2 - Should I upgrade or do a clean install?

If anyone is familiar with this issue, I'd be very interested in any pointer.

Thanks,

Joss
 
I would leave the other drives plugged in.

As it's an upgrade, I expect it will look for a licensed install or original CD of your current OS. For that I'd lean towards the upgrade path.

However, you'll also inherit all the current cruft in your registry. If your current install is fairly fresh and clean, the upgrade path is good.

If your Windows install is around a year old or older, I'd do a clean install to avoid the junked up registry.

Download Vista compatible drivers for everything before you start though. If you don't have Vista drivers for mobo and video, I wouldn't even upgrade.

Phil
 
You've got a removable hard drive? PERFECT!

Use a program such as driveimage to copy you existing system -- lock-stock-and-barrel as they say -- to a removable hard drive. If you don't have a spare, it's worth the $100 that one will cost. If something goes horribly wrong -- what could possibly go wrong? It's Microsoft! -- you can, with just a bit of a jumper tweak, boot from the removable hard drive and restore everything to the way it was.
 
make sure you have no unlicensed media on your HD. vista will delete it.

i personally will NEVER upgrade to Vista. i'll stick with XP until my laptop dies....then i will be going to Ubuntu Linux for my OS....... or going to Mac.

MS will never see a dime of my money again. i'm not a MS hater by any means.....but Vista is the absolute pits IMO.

Bill
 
very simple....when you go on the internet, MS will search your HD for any unlicensed media and delete it. dont believe me? go to slashdot.org or any other tech site and read up on it.

here's a sample: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/30/176231
read the comments at bottom of page

Or this one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

the 3rd article is by Gutmann....one of the worlds foremost programmers of encryption....he wrote PGP....the most secure encryption known in the world:eek:
 
very simple....when you go on the internet, MS will search your HD for any unlicensed media and delete it. dont believe me? go to slashdot.org or any other tech site and read up on it.

I intend to wait as long as possible. Vista is probably a royal bug motel, and I see no reason to go there until it has been thouroughly vetted and cleaned up.

n2s
 
Already went to Ubuntu 6.1 a couple weeks ago when my laptop crashed with winblows xp. Have a dual boot right now till I can get used to linux after 18yrs of dos.

Check out SphereXP for a fresh look at an O/S. Personally I'm sticking with linux from now on.
 
Unfortunately I have to agree with the naysayers. I've never been an anti-MS guy, but Vista has seriously damaged their rep with me. I'll give you a short list of the bad issues, but 1st one admittedly cool feature. They have included a feature that will allow you to use a now-a-days dirt cheap flash drive as RAM on your box. Need a little more RAM to speed up your box, or just to run some particular big footprint program? No problem, plug in a 2 or 4gig or whatnot Flashdrive and you just added that much RAM, very cool. But unfortunately brings to light the first bad issue.

1-HUGE resource hog. There are on the order of 10 times as many running processes with Vista as compared to XP, already a top-heavy OS. Moreover you cannot disable many of them without having the OS shut down because it assumes you are doing something illicit. So your gonna need that extra RAM.

2-MS is seriously in bed with the folks who keep suing file sharers. In and of itself no big deal, I use legal software, but they have left themselves backdoors into your box, and reportedly also backdoors specifically for the government and the filesharing sue happy folks(questionable). Again, same as above, disable it and the OS will shut you down.

3-The hardware permissions keys now officially registered in Vista mean that 1)any changes to your box at all, including unsigned drivers may disable the OS, and 2)if a hacker messes with for instance the chipset for you soundcard, MS will disable that chipset across the board until they come up with a fix for it, ignoring the fact that you have done nothing wrong at all.

Thats just a couple of bigguns, the fact that MS reserves the right to snoop in your box, and disable hardware at their whim is enough for me to not upgrade. Honestly, several of these points and a few others that aren't well documented yet seem downright illegal, and I'll be surprised if there isn't a class action lawsuit in the near future over it.

I have to say, I've never been one to beat up on MS for all the stuff most people do, anti-competition etc, I think they have with a few notable exceptions been smart with adopting new tech from other sources and putting it in a relatively stable and user friendly environment. But on this I feel seriously let down.

Like bill-G said, don't take my word for it, go to any tech website and check it out, even the ones who want to like it are upset.

Syn
 
check out this book on ubuntu at amazon.

Ubuntu Linux for Non-Geeks: A Pain-Free, Project-Based, Get-Things-Done Guidebook [Illustrated]
Sold by: Amazon.com


(BTW) google is using their own variation of ubuntu in house. they say they have NO plans at present to distribute it for free (yeah right). its called Goobuntu

Ubuntu has at present 16,000 programs that will run on it....comes with firefox and open office (a semi clone of MS office) all for the price of $0!!




how about this: you have patient files on your Vista computer....one of them is a hires video of an echogram. MS mistakenly thinks its a pirated video and deletes it!!

Bingo...your patient's records are gone. tell that to their lawyer when he requests a copy of it!:eek:

and on....and on.......
 
Guys,

You're all very cute, but I don't care one way or another why you don't want to use Vista. I want to use it, and I have specific questions. Your rants have nothing to do with the subject of the post and would be better in a separate thread.
 
OK....MS says you CANT do a clean install...it must be installed over another MS OS. BTW it will send a message to MS during the install to invalidate the serial number of you XP OS. so dont give or sell that XP pkge to anyone. its now invalidated
 
Bill_G: have Ubuntu Unleashed on my coffee table, picked it up this week... apparently enough info to go from beginner to advanced in ubuntu (if not linux as a general rule).

I can repair a winblows comp with my eyes closed('95 to xp pro), but haven't even managed to get Fuse, Capture or ntfs 3g tools installed. The 'sudo apt-get install [insert prog name]' command tells me it cannot find the package (which is on my desktop). Dunno if that's because I'm not running as root or what, but I should be able to figure it out with the book.

If I wasn't fixing ntfs systems and needing to install the prog myself before messing it up when I'm out working on another comp, I wouldn't even have the winxp boot option. Don't even mind the lack of "decent" games in linux (though according to this book I should be able to install unreal tournament 2004) and I've found progs for most of my stuff... I barely play games anymore.
 
Fair enough, sorry about the "rant", I was actually thinking I was in the other thread.

From what I understand, you will need to have all drives attached or Vista will either not recognize them or shut them out, hardware permission issue.
If you have a upgrade copy, ie. a copy from a new computer sold as coming with a free upgrade to Vista, you may need to do an upgrade as apposed to a clean install. If you have a normal Vista CD, whether "upgrade" or full, you should be able to do a full install and most reviewers suggest you do.
Good luck
Syn
 
1 - Should I unplug my non-C drives?

I would suggest unplugging that has data on it you happen to value. It's not smart to leave such things accessible to the system when you are reformatting.

2 - Should I upgrade or do a clean install?

Always go with a clean install. System designers have a hard enough time testing an OS against all possible hardware configurations... there is simply no way they have tested it against your particular software setup, so unless you don't oppose have random inexplicable bugs to deal with, it is very much in your interest to do a fresh install.

EDIT: And I'll echo the 'switch-to-linux' sentiments. :p
 
I'm not switching to Linux. I was unhappy enough with Mac, I'm not going to go to an even less supported system.

With this said, thanks all for your help. I am still sitting on my Vista DVD. I have to (1) make an F6 floppy, which I have no idea how to, and (2) make a system restore disk, which again I don't know how to do. So in the meantime I'm not jumping the gun.
 
the 3rd article is by Gutmann....one of the worlds foremost programmers of encryption....he wrote PGP....the most secure encryption known in the world:eek:
...............

apart from 'Kremlin' which is about 200 times stronger and for a time was banned in the USA because the government couldn't crack it.

PGP isn't called 'PRETTY GOOD Privacy' for nothing. :)
 
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