VG10- steel deburring

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Ok,

so how would you deburr this steel and we are talking double bevel knife (60/40) (VG10 with good heath treatment, no chipping.)

thank you!
 
The same way you deburr anything.
Make a small burr followed by alternating passes with light touch, same angle to reduce and remove as much as possible followed by stroping to clean up the apex.
seem to be so easy, but when we think the edge lasts long as possible there is matter. ''the same way you deburr anything'' logic doesn't help this.
 
I sharpen and deburr on a stone as much as possible then move to a strop with 1 micron diamond compound. I find most VG-10 in pocket knives to be softer and you will endlessly chase the burr on a stone, so I cheat and use a strop.

I tend to like my 500 grit Shapton glass followed by the 1 micron strop, yields a very sharp but aggressive edge that excels in edc tasks.
 
57.5rc on my delica on my calibrated tester.

Burr is fairly stubborn.


I sharpen and deburr on a stone as much as possible then move to a strop with 1 micron diamond compound. I find most VG-10 in pocket knives to be softer and you will endlessly chase the burr on a stone, so I cheat and use a strop.

I tend to like my 500 grit Shapton glass followed by the 1 micron strop, yields a very sharp but aggressive edge that excels in edc tasks.
 
VG-10 is one steel that I've noticed really does respond to stropping with compounds suited to it. As noted earlier, the burrs on VG-10 can be stubborn and evenly wickedly tenacious in trying to deal with them only on a stone. But stropping on denim with an aggressive polishing compound of aluminum oxide, like white rouge for example, can erase the stubborn burr and leave the edge screaming sharp - and will get it there quickly.

For most knives I use & carry (which usually aren't VG-10), I've tended to favor finishing on the stone without any compounded stropping afterward. I do 'strop' these on something very simple, like bare leather or denim (thigh of my jeans). But they don't need anything beyond that.
 
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Taking the burr off VG-10 takes a bit of time, speaking of my F1. I finish with my DMT fine (1200) grit, but it takes a while. Stropping, a few light strokes with a smooth steel, or just making a cut in soft wood might help get that persistent wire edge off.
 
The problem with using a strop to de-burr is that you just end up straightening the burr. You will get a very sharp edge, but it won't last long because the apex is still contaminated with weakened steel.

The best way I've found to de-burr is to use very short, edge-leading strokes with the stone. Then very short, very light edge-leading strokes.

Once you fully de-burr the edge on your stone, stropping will refine it so that the edge is not just sharp, but also long lasting.
 
Using the right compound (for VG-10) on a strop will actually remove the burr quickly and not just straighten it. White rouge or grey AlOx compounds that I prefer to use on a denim strop will get VG-10's burrs gone in a hurry, leaving the edge polished, durable and keen.

Plain stropping with no compound or a poorly-chosen compound (like green) won't do much to remove VG-10's burrs at all. The whole key to removing these burrs is by abrasion at a very light touch, using a compound that easily cuts the steel to remove it, instead of trying to break them off by folding back & forth. Abrasion with a light touch can be done on a stone too; but VG-10 makes that more challenging on a hard stone, creating or exacerbating burrs against the stone, if the touch isn't just perfect. That's why for me, in the specific case of VG-10, the 'cheat' method on the right strop with the right compound makes handling these burrs a breeze by comparison.
 
Using the right compound (for VG-10) on a strop will actually remove the burr quickly and not just straighten it. White rouge or grey AlOx compounds that I prefer to use on a denim strop will get VG-10's burrs gone in a hurry, leaving the edge polished, durable and keen.

Plain stropping with no compound or a poorly-chosen compound (like green) won't do much to remove VG-10's burrs at all. The whole key to removing these burrs is by abrasion at a very light touch, using a compound that easily cuts the steel to remove it, instead of trying to break them off by folding back & forth. Abrasion with a light touch can be done on a stone too; but VG-10 makes that more challenging on a hard stone, creating or exacerbating burrs against the stone, if the touch isn't just perfect. That's why for me, in the specific case of VG-10, the 'cheat' method on the right strop with the right compound makes handling these burrs a breeze by comparison.

A burr -- or wire edge -- is just weakened metal pushed up into the apex during sharpening. The coarser the stone, the harder the pressure, the bigger the burr.

When both bevels meet at the apex, you will get a burr with every stroke of your sharpening stone -- that's not a flip, but a new burr. It leans off to the non-sharpened side. When you switch your stone to that non-sharpened side, you will cut off the old burr, provided you don't change your stone angle. And as you continue the stone stroke, a new burr will form on the other side.

Some burrs can flip with edge-trailing strokes, but typically you're not flipping the burr, but just recreating a new burr on the other side. The "flip" is an illusion in most cases.

As you go through finer grits and put lighter pressure on the stone, the burr gets smaller. When you strop at this point, you are not cutting off the burr, but just straightening it up. The apex will be sharp. It will not reflect light. You will not be able to feel a burr with your thumb, but it will be there as weakened metal in the apexed edge.

However, you will think you've removed the burr, just as you described.

Stropping removes so little metal that it would take longer than you think to whittle the edge down below the damaged metal in the apex.

Stropping will remove a micro-burr -- a really, really tiny burr that is too small to feel. And it will polish (refine) the micro-teeth left from your last stone. It will also align the edge apex if it is not too out of whack.

My question to you is how you know you've removed the burr by stropping? You have no way of seeing how structurally sound the metal at the apex is. And that's the only way to know. My belief is that you have not removed the burr, just straightened it to the point where you can no longer detect it.

The real key to a properly finished apex edge is not just how sharp it is, but how long it lasts -- and a long-lasting edge can be achieved only when your apex is cut from virgin steel.

A lot of people have written that the super-wear steels, like S30V, lose their fine edge very quickly, but the working edge lasts a long time. Larrin has dispelled that myth, but the reason it persists is because people are leaving damaged metal in the apex, especially on these super-wear steels where the burr is more resistant to full removal.

They lose their fine edge quickly because the apex was comprised partly of weakened steel.
 
The OBVIOUS way to know the burr is removed and stable steel remains, is by watching the behavior of the edge in use, after it's stropped.

An unstable wire edge won't last, and that becomes clear very early. But, if stropped as I described with compound that does the job cleanly, it cuts and cuts, and keeps on cutting. Doesn't get any simpler than that. I've found what works for this situation, and done it countless times to prove the point to myself. As have countless others here on the forum.

One can't generalize, with any credibility anyway, that stropping always leaves a weakened edge. If it's done poorly, or with the wrong choice of methods or materials, the results will bear that out. But it's not like that can be the only possible outcome. There are poor ways to go about it, and ways that work.
 
Burr and wire edge removal folding edge over with wood, Luong La
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The problem with using a strop to de-burr is that you just end up straightening the burr. You will get a very sharp edge, but it won't last long because the apex is still contaminated with weakened steel.

The best way I've found to de-burr is to use very short, edge-leading strokes with the stone. Then very short, very light edge-leading strokes.

Once you fully de-burr the edge on your stone, stropping will refine it so that the edge is not just sharp, but also long lasting.
When edge leading strokes are you keeping angle same as your sharpening angle? and first edge-leading strokes are very short medium pressure? because after that we do very light edge-leading strokes.
 
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The OBVIOUS way to know the burr is removed and stable steel remains, is by watching the behavior of the edge in use, after it's stropped.

An unstable wire edge won't last, and that becomes clear very early. But, if stropped as I described with compound that does the job cleanly, it cuts and cuts, and keeps on cutting. Doesn't get any simpler than that. I've found what works for this situation, and done it countless times to prove the point to myself. As have countless others here on the forum.

One can't generalize, with any credibility anyway, that stropping always leaves a weakened edge. If it's done poorly, or with the wrong choice of methods or materials, the results will bear that out. But it's not like that can be the only possible outcome. There are poor ways to go about it, and ways that work.
This is the way I have been doing it.
 
I sharpen and deburr on a stone as much as possible then move to a strop with 1 micron diamond compound. I find most VG-10 in pocket knives to be softer and you will endlessly chase the burr on a stone, so I cheat and use a strop.

I tend to like my 500 grit Shapton glass followed by the 1 micron strop, yields a very sharp but aggressive edge that excels in edc tasks.
What is your deburring technique on stone; Edge leading vs edge trailing etc..?
 
With my 57 RC kitchen knives in VG-10 I use short edge leading strokes.

When you delve into the science this doesn’t result in the most optimal edge geometry but it is a damn site quicker and easier than umpteen edge trailing passes. I tend to finish with a few swipes on a strop as well
 
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