vg10 vs 9cr18mov???

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I know many here wont like 9cr18 as its used by some Chinese companies that make clones,etc,but would like to hear opinions about actual performance of this steel compared to vg10.I think they perform about same.
 
In my expierience, vg10 out performs 9cr. Vg10 has better edge retention, better rust and corrosion resistance.
 
Personally I don't notice a difference between spydercos 8cr13mov and their vg10. In my experience both are kinda sub par.
 
wilsonj1018 said:
Personally I don't notice a difference between spydercos 8cr13mov and their vg10. In my experience both are kinda sub par.
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Sub par for what?

I can tell you that VG10 is an exceptional steel.

It takes a very fine edge with ease, just doesn't hold it for very long.
If you don't mind sharpening, the trade-off is well worth it (depending on what you cut the most)

It has excellent corrosion resistance, and makes for a wonderful light use EDC blade steel.
 
Yeah,vg10is not bad,takes scary edge but doesnt hold it long,this 9cr18mov in my experience is similar,almost no difference,just little easier to sharpen
 
JR88FAN said:
Sub par for what?

I can tell you that VG10 is an exceptional steel.

It takes a very fine edge with ease, just doesn't hold it for very long.
If you don't mind sharpening, the trade-off is well worth it (depending on what you cut the most)

It has excellent corrosion resistance, and makes for a wonderful light use EDC blade steel.
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Sub par to my normal edc steels. Typically carry a mix of tool steels: cpm d2 to cpm m4 stainless: cpm 154/s30v/ carpenter cts xhp. Maybe I'm a steel whore idk but anymore those are all that's in my edc rotation.
 
I tested 9Cr13MoV, a very similar alloy cutting manila rope. It performed at the 440C level.

VG10 performs at the 154CM/ATS-34 level. These are noticeably better in edge retention than 440C or 9Cr alloys, assuming each is heat treated to the same hardness. I can notice the difference both in side-by-side testing and in daily use. YMMV.
 
knarfeng said:
I tested 9Cr13MoV, a very similar alloy cutting manila rope. It performed at the 440C level.

VG10 performs at the 154CM/ATS-34 level. These are noticeably better in edge retention than 440C or 9Cr alloys, assuming each is heat treated to the same hardness. I can notice the difference both in side-by-side testing and in daily use. YMMV.
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I agree with this. Especially if the VG-10 is taken a bit higher in hardness, as 154CM and ATS-34 can be (and often are, at HRC 59/60+). I've often been disappointed with Spyderco's hardening of it, which seems a bit soft and prone to edge-rolling and/or heavy burring. But the VG-10 I've seen from other makers, like A.G. Russell, Moki, and Mcusta (VG-10 core w/damascus laminate), has been noticeably better than that, able to hold very thin geometry with wicked sharpness. If one has only been exposed to Spyderco's VG-10, which is likely the most widely known in the market, it'd be wise to try it from other makers first, before forming any opinions of the steel as a whole.


David
 
I agree on this one,obsessed with edges,Spydercos vg10 seems soft,and thats what ive been exposed to.There is even some difference in few spydercos that I have as some hold better edge than others and theyre all vg10.
 
I wasn't too impressed with the VG-10 on my endura at first. Then I thinned it down to 14 dps. Made a major difference from the 20 dps in how long it kept cutting. Now I don't know what was going on at the edge but I noticed it immediately because I did cut a lot of cardboard at the time.
 
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I have several Japanese VG10 Kitchen blades. from differing MFG's.
Laminated, x 3. x 33. (4 or 5)
Strong. Non rust. sharp as, then some.
and keep a good edge as long as you smooth steel them regularly.
Used every day. Diamond/ceramic rod also.
sharpened, on average. every 5 to 6 months. Home use two people using.
I have some white no 2 paper blades too. Sharper. Hmmmm.
(Only I use them)
Definitely more exxy. and look better.but they 61 to 64 Rockwell.
VG usually 60 +/-. Occasionally 61.
Most other steels would be in the 54 to 58 range on a good day.

VG10 properly treated. is probably the next on list after white and blue Carbon.
At a tiny fraction of the price.
An awful lot of Pro cooks use it in their kitchens.
 
I've carried an G.Sakia vg-10, 3 3/4 closed. In Japan they harden em to the max. I used my first for 3 years before it needed to see a wheel. I'm sold on vg-10. And have my last buy, 2018, for sale. The old man passed last year and I doubt Gerber will do anymore importing. It's a pearl with abalone inlays. As thick thru spine as any I've carried, and perfect in the hand. My opinion, the truth like the sun, the closer you get the more you're blinded. Mac
 
Vg10 is good steel,but spydercos heat treat is nothing special,and it doesnt perform how it could.They heat treat knives softer .My buddy has Al Mar folder in vg10,made in Japan in probably different factory than spyderco and it deffinitely holds edge better.
 
I compared my F1 in VG-10 with my buddy's CS (Red River) Elk Skinner in Carbon V (a.k.a. 50100-B / 0170-6C) when we skinned a black bear one time. Both needed a touch-up after slicing through that greasy, gritty hide, but they performed about the same, which I thought was pretty impressive. I doubt that even today's super steels would have done much better. In the real world, VG-10 is an excellent steel IMHO.
 
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