Victorinox vs. Leatherman (in terms of quality)

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It's obvious Leatherman has more options for pliers-based multitools than Victorinox, but I'd love to hear from people who have experience using both brands.

I'm looking at investing in a new multitool in the next week or so, and I've used two Leathermans to date. I love Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but I have never had their Spirit/etc in-hand ever. How do they stack up?
 
I'm a Leatherman guy...had a victornox some years ago. Although it was great quality it just wasn't the same. But that's me. Had many Gerber multi tools and still do, but again prefer Leatherman. Have a SOG and like it and I'll keep it but not as easy to use and doesn't have the features. I probably have 12 tools that I know of, and IF you decide to get a Leatherman and are interested in a new WAVE, I posted one on here for sale and still have it.


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It's obvious Leatherman has more options for pliers-based multitools than Victorinox, but I'd love to hear from people who have experience using both brands.

I'm looking at investing in a new multitool in the next week or so, and I've used two Leathermans to date. I love Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but I have never had their Spirit/etc in-hand ever. How do they stack up?

If you think responses to your request are going to settle anything, you may be disappointed, possibly confused, or maybe dismayed. For certain, nothing will be settled. Each make has a mix of implements, some of which on one or the other outperforms its competitor, but in the end, both can be lived with.
However, here's my take: experience with both has me leaning Leatherman. Victorinox products are well designed, beautifully finished and durable, but I find the Leatherman pliers-based multi-tools work better for me. In particular, Vic makes nothing like the Wave/Charge, a one hand blade opener, a feature I depend on for certain cutting tasks. Being able to open and close a blade while the other hand is occupied with something else; hanging onto a ladder, keeping tension on a line, yanking a vine, or cutting a length of material while holding it up on a wall, things I do often. It's a convenience issue, but a safety one too, especially on a ladder.

Another one that has no Vic equivalent is the Micra, which in its size category is tougher than its Vic equivalent and has bigger scissors. I also like the clever and compact bit system of LT as compared to the separate and bulkier Vic accessory setup. In 20 years and several Leathermen in difference sizes, I have never had a failure with any of them on a job (although I bent the pliers tip on a Juice from twisting too hard, but it's still usable.)

Leatherman warranty is outstanding, not because they will fix the product free of charge for life.* Victorinox offers that also, but if you live in the US, LT will accept any of their tools in any condition, fix or replace it, and get it back in your hands inside of two weeks. In several instances, I sent in tools that were totally bunged up from user abuse, and Warranty accepted them with no questions asked, fixed or replaced them in under two weeks.**

Now you can expect someone else to weigh in with reasons why the Swisstools are best and Leatherman is dog doo. Have fun sorting it out.



*Although Leatherman says 25 year warranty, I am willing to bet the plantation, riverboat and the hand of of Cindy Lou that they would fix your mangled screwdriver beyond the promised quarter century. Sometimes I think that if you sent them a roadkill, they would send back a new cat.

**Not mine, except for one fresh out of the box that needed some fine tuning. The others belong to my son, who is brutal on his possessions. Because he is careless with his stuff and has the hand strength of two separate gorillas, he can break almost any hand tool, in time. He also neglects details, so I'm the one who has to send them in. LT Warranty comes through every time.
 
I carried various Leatherman tools for almost a decade. Since 2010, the only pliers-based multi-tool I carry is my Victorinox Spirit, the one with a second, serrated blade instead of scissors. It has whatever I'd need in a pliers-based MT. It also feels more 'solid' to me than my Leathermans, especially the Wave. I also like that the tools don't clump together when opening them like on the Leathermans. The only thing the Spirit is missing is a ruler on the handles, but they're bow-shaped so it probably wouldn't have been practical.

I also carry SAKs like my Executive and Spartan. They all have features that complement each other.

Jim
 
I've got both a leatherman rebar and a Vic swisstool within reach. Used both on the job, and around home. All depends on what you want. If I was going to leave this apartment and never look back, then the rebar would be left for whoever scavenges the leftovers. But 90% of the time if I'm tossing a multi on my belt for a "what if" day, its the rebar. That probably doesn't help you. Buy a Vic, or at least handle one in a store, and see what you like and don't like. Amazing fit and finish, high tool density, feels like a brick, and has a pricetag to match. Its up to you.
 
Both companies make fine tools. Swisstools are prettier, but no less functional. Buy the one with the toolset you want, and be confident that the fit and finish will be solid.

For that matter, SOG has some fine offerings, and even Gerber can sometimes (MP series, Dime series) get it right.
 
From what I gather, the Vic Spirit is stronger than the similar sized Leatherman's. I use the Spirit a fair amount, but only own the small Leatherman's.

I also think SOG produces a pretty good multi-tool. Yeah, I own one.
 
From what I gather, the Vic Spirit is stronger than the similar sized Leatherman's. I use the Spirit a fair amount, but only own the small Leatherman's.

I also think SOG produces a pretty good multi-tool. Yeah, I own one.

My brother agrees with you on the SOG, but I have never handled one. When I gifted him with a Spirit, he was much impressed with its fit and finish and now is his "go to" multi-tool. However, I prefer the Leatherman Charge TTi. It just fits my needs better than the Spirit, which was why I gave that to him. Now we are both happy, just like brothers should be :).
 
Of the name brand pliers-based multi-tools, Gerber is the one I avoid and of course all the off brands. I have two or three Gerbers. I tend to find them but I like the Vic better. My first was a Gerber around 1992 or there abouts.
 
In my opinion the Victorinox multi-tools are superior to their competition. I like the Swisstool better than the SuperTool and the Spirit better than the Charge/Wave. I have dozens of Leatherman tools and they are great multi-tools. However, the quality of Leatherman's has declined immensely in recent years. A few weeks ago, I checked out (3) Leatherman Signal's at my local outdoor store and every one of them had at least one quality control issue that I could detect. Like a Sebenza. I've found all the Swisstool's/Spirit's I've ever handled or bought have been perfect right out of the box. Everyone has different needs and all multi-tools are compromises in one way or another. If you do not carry a one hand opening knife, then the Wave/Charge is probably better suited for you. Or if you use the wire cutters a lot the SuperTool may be a superior option to the Swissool for you. Another big reason I prefer Victorinox multi-tools is their amazing rust resistance. The bead blasted implements and inside the Handles of the Leatherman's are extremely prone to rusting. I live on the coast and have had my fair share of Leatherman's rust even being maintained with either a Tuff-Clothor 3 in 1 oil.

The best thing to do would be to handle both and see which you like best. Hope this helps :-)
 
Your thread title indicates you are primarily interested in quality. I own a Swisstool and several LM products (numerous Wave, Sidekick, Wingman and their smaller cousins). No question in my mind the Swisstool is superior quality. The way every function operates on the Swisstool just oozes precision. It's an obvious difference in feel and function when you handle it.

That said, it is a bit larger and heavier than, say, a LM Wave (which is bulky and heavy as is). This may prevent some people from carrying and using the Swisstool as much, and therefore to deem the Wave "more useful."

Another point: The Wave and most other LM tools have main blades and other large tools built with a "one-hand" opening feature. Which is super handy. None of the Swisstools, to my knowledge, have this feature. So again, another "usefulness" nod to the LM family.
 
Well, I own several MTs. Be it Vics or LMs. I own both, the Spirit and the regular Swisstool as well.

I own the Rebar, Wave and ST300 and many many other LMs.

So I have several tools to compare.

Never had an issue with the LMs. No wobbling, no loose tools and such. The Spirit instead provided a rattling tool and all of that. Never had a problem with Vic instead.

On the MTs, I prefer LM. They give a wonderful warranty, whenever needed. But if I want to send a Spirit for spa treatment and replacing tools - I need to pay for that. Due to warranty. Just FYI: I wanted to send in my Spirit due to rattling tools and such. I got the answer from Vic: Generally I have to pay 17.00 € for that treatment. So - No Thank You For That Offer!

I will never buy a Vic Multitool anymore. But a LM within a heartbeat.
 
Victorinox makes a better designed, better executed MT with tighter tolerances. The outside opening tools on the Spirit and Swisstool are 1) easier to access, and 2) make the plier handles smooth when the MT is opened. [The Wave/Charger do have this design, but not the ST300, Rebar, etc.]. Victorinox packs more tools in the same space, and they are more refined and better executed (IMO). And the Wave/Charge's stubby drivers make me want to commit harikari.

I love Leatherman, and own a ton of them. They make a solid MT, with a 25 year warranty. Victorinox just makes a better MT in my view. With a lifetime warranty.

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Victorinox Swisstool.
 
You all have been extremely helpful. I was expecting praise for both brands and I was not disappointed. Keep the input coming!
 
Victorinox makes a better designed, better executed MT with tighter tolerances. The outside opening tools on the Spirit and Swisstool are 1) easier to access, and 2) make the plier handles smooth when the MT is opened. [The Wave/Charger do have this design, but not the ST300, Rebar, etc.]. Victorinox packs more tools in the same space, and they are more refined and better executed. And the Wave/Charge's stubby drivers make me want to commit harikari.

I love Leatherman, and own a ton of them. They make a solid MT, with a 25 year warranty. Victorinox just makes a better MT in my view. With a lifetime warranty.

Over decades now, I have owned two Swisstools and two Spirits, one with the PE blade. During the same time period, I have also owned a Leatherman Super Tool, ST300, Charge TTi, and Rebar, all comparable to the Vic models, plus Juice, Micra and a couple of Squirts, all types Vic doesn't offer. In addition to their practical functions, I also took note of how they performed in comparison with each other. In the end, I went with Leatherman in every category and either sold or gave away the Vics. That's because I'm not really a collector and don't like to have more m-ts around than I think will be used.

No question, Vic fit and finish are unsurpassed. But as the saying goes, "Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough". Leathermen do what they are designed to do, overall more effectively (IMhO) and in many years of using them, none have failed me while on a job.

Even though Swisstools are outside opening, there is the matter of working a nail nick against a stiff spring. Doing it repeatedly for any sustained period and my fingernail beds complained plenty about it. The problem is compounded in cold, wet conditions. Because it is necessary to take my gloves off to open an implement, fingers get clubby and nails too soft to function with the Swisstool, although not quite as bad with the Spirit. Leatherman implements are much easier to access in these conditions and can be worked without taking off my gloves.

Screwdrivers on the Super Tools are sharper cut and less likely to slip than the Vic drivers, which are highly polished. That helps make them very rust resistant (I have never seen a rusted Vic anything), but also compromises their grab in screw head slots. One time I tested that by turning a screw into some very hard wood as tight as I could until it slipped, and even with pressure could not budge it anymore. Then I followed with a Super Tool driver of the same size, easily turned the screw down another revolution and a bit more, with no slipping at all. Also, the Super Tool/ST300 pliers jaws open wider than those on the Swisstools, but I must admit that was only an issue for me once, ever.

One hand opening is more than a convenience, preventing fumbling when you need to open a blade while your other hand is occupied, and can be a safety issue if you’re up on ladder. That’s a big reason my EDC multi-tool is a Charge TTi, although the others also have their place, depending on circumstances. Another is the compact bit kit that allows me to carry a pretty complete outfit in one small package, made for the Wave/Charge but can be adapted to the other LT models. A comparable Swisstool accessory outfit takes up more space.

Finally, in my case, there is force of habit. I started with a Super Tool, and over years sort of bonded with it, much like a baby duckling. Although I very much admire all the good qualities of Victorinox products (I love SAKs, own and use a few,) Leatherman is more like an old companion. I never got that from the Swisstools, which were more like just “things.” In conclusion, it’s a personal choice; what you like and what fits you best. That can’t always be broken down on a spreadsheet.

One last thing; while Vic offers a lifetime warranty, Leatherman's is 25 years, but I would confidently bet that if you sent them a tool out of the warranty period, they would take care of it. In my case, I am old enough that 25 years would probably exceed my remaining life expectancy, so if I'm wrong, I wouldn't be around to pay off, anyway :D .
 
Do he Victorinox tools offer one handed opening of the main blade / tools ?


Ken

No, nothing.

update: Actually, I was wrong about that, and worse, I own such a SAK, an OH Trekker. Strictly a brain fart, to be sure. :o
but I was thinking pliers based multi-tools, so this slipped by. Regrets, I'll try to be a better person.
 
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Over decades now, I have owned two Swisstools and two Spirits, one with the PE blade. During the same time period, I have also owned a Leatherman Super Tool, ST300, Charge TTi, and Rebar, all comparable to the Vic models, plus Juice, Micra and a couple of Squirts, all types Vic doesn't offer. In addition to their practical functions, I also took note of how they performed in comparison with each other. In the end, I went with Leatherman in every category and either sold or gave away the Vics. That's because I'm not really a collector and don't like to have more m-ts around than I think will be used.

No question, Vic fit and finish are unsurpassed. But as the saying goes, "Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough". Leathermen do what they are designed to do, overall more effectively (IMhO) and in many years of using them, none have failed me while on a job.

Even though Swisstools are outside opening, there is the matter of working a nail nick against a stiff spring. Doing it repeatedly for any sustained period and my fingernail beds complained plenty about it. The problem is compounded in cold, wet conditions. Because it is necessary to take my gloves off to open an implement, fingers get clubby and nails too soft to function with the Swisstool, although not quite as bad with the Spirit. Leatherman implements are much easier to access in these conditions and can be worked without taking off my gloves.

Screwdrivers on the Super Tools are sharper cut and less likely to slip than the Vic drivers, which are highly polished. That helps make them very rust resistant (I have never seen a rusted Vic anything), but also compromises their grab in screw head slots. One time I tested that by turning a screw into some very hard wood as tight as I could until it slipped, and even with pressure could not budge it anymore. Then I followed with a Super Tool driver of the same size, easily turned the screw down another revolution and a bit more, with no slipping at all. Also, the Super Tool/ST300 pliers jaws open wider than those on the Swisstools, but I must admit that was only an issue for me once, ever.

One hand opening is more than a convenience, preventing fumbling when you need to open a blade while your other hand is occupied, and can be a safety issue if you’re up on ladder. That’s a big reason my EDC multi-tool is a Charge TTi, although the others also have their place, depending on circumstances. Another is the compact bit kit that allows me to carry a pretty complete outfit in one small package, made for the Wave/Charge but can be adapted to the other LT models. A comparable Swisstool accessory outfit takes up more space.

Finally, in my case, there is force of habit. I started with a Super Tool, and over years sort of bonded with it, much like a baby duckling. Although I very much admire all the good qualities of Victorinox products (I love SAKs, own and use a few,) Leatherman is more like an old companion. I never got that from the Swisstools, which were more like just “things.” In conclusion, it’s a personal choice; what you like and what fits you best. That can’t always be broken down on a spreadsheet.

One last thing; while Vic offers a lifetime warranty, Leatherman's is 25 years, but I would confidently bet that if you sent them a tool out of the warranty period, they would take care of it. In my case, I am old enough that 25 years would probably exceed my remaining life expectancy, so if I'm wrong, I wouldn't be around to pay off, anyway :D .

Definitely can see why Leathdrman tools work for you.

I have found that the inner tools of the Wave/Charge are just as difficult to access especially with cold fingers. Also worth noting is the thickness behind the edge on the Wave's knife blades. The Wave/Charge knife blades just don't cut nearly as well as the Victorinox blades. Also, the tool is highly polished and I would not say the drivers are overly slippery. The millions and millions of SAK owners worldwide don't complain about the screwdrivers being slippery one bit :-) and it makes the Swisstool damn near impervious to rust. Plus. It would be very easy to square them off with a file if it was that much of an issue. Compromises!
 
Definitely can see why Leathdrman tools work for you.

I have found that the inner tools of the Wave/Charge are just as difficult to access especially with cold fingers. Also worth noting is the thickness behind the edge on the Wave's knife blades. The Wave/Charge knife blades just don't cut nearly as well as the Victorinox blades. Also, the tool is highly polished and I would not say the drivers are overly slippery. The millions and millions of SAK owners worldwide don't complain about the screwdrivers being slippery one bit :-) and it makes the Swisstool damn near impervious to rust. Plus. It would be very easy to square them off with a file if it was that much of an issue. Compromises!

Although I appreciate your comments, we must agree to disagree on several points. Individuals vary, but I find Wave/Charge implements easier to use in cold weather, and mostly without having to remove my gloves. Familiarity could be the key. But in any case, they don't do a number on my thumbnails. As for the blades, I have seldom put them to a cutting task they couldn't handle, but I don't expect any m-t blade to outperform a dedicated one.

Now, about those millions upon millions who don't complain about slippy screwdrivers; these are overwhelmingly people who don't know or care about the finer points of knife knuttery, except for a few, like you and me. These multitudes can be congratulated for carrying a multi-tool, but the vast majority seldom use more than a few implements now and then, and they are ahead simply for having any multi-tool on them, regardless of how well they function. I have many times watch people performing simple tasks with their SAKs, in many cases a pitiful sight. In fact, I was that person for most of my life until one day taking another look and finding the subject to be very interesting.

Among other things I found that although they work well enough for most screwing, Vic screwdrivers are definitely more slippy than the Leathermen's, despite the erroneous opinions of the masses. I posted the results of my test, which could easily be duplicated, and invite you to do the same. Squaring off the Vic screwdrivers is a possible solution, but has the consequence of increasing the width of the bevels on the slotted drivers, which might make them more difficult to use on narrow screw head slots. Also, I'm not sure how to proceed on the phillips heads. But none of that is an issue with Leatherman.

One of the people who now owns one of my former Spirits is a brother, who loves it. I'm glad it makes him happy, and I hope yours does the same for you.
 
Millions and millions of SAK owners never use their SAKs for anything.

Think about all of the SAKs you've gifted. Now ask your self how many of them get used. As in, like at all.

Different strokes and all that. Glad we have a choice between the two. But I wouldn't point to the millions of sales as an indication of SAKs utility. SAKs are the ultimate consumer product. They're made to be purchased.
 
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