VSM abrasives

Joshua Fisher

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I wanted to start a post to talk about vsm abrasives a bit and the belts I’ve been using a lot in my shop and hopefully someone finds this useful. I think a lot of us have tried vsm and most people I’ve spoke with feel they are some of the best value belts on the market, granted everyone will have a different grinding style so I always recommend trying multiple brands of belts or lines within the same brand and find what works well for you. Well here are the two belts that have been working really well for me and why I use them. I start off with 36 or 50 grit 880 line ceramic belts, these seem to cut really cool and work well in medium to light pressure applications. I do 90% of the work with one of these two belts, I start by using a worn belt to break my corners at about a 30-40 degree angle to a center line then start grinding in my bevel. Majority of my knives I hollow grind and the way I grind my bevels is after my edge centerline is established I start grinding a new facet or hollow right behind that initial angle, this is important especially for thin kitchen knives as the edge can heat up fast when trying to remove the bulk of material so I like to leave a little bit of meat before the edge and this acts as a heat sink in a way and helps prevent overheating the thin edge. For hollow grinds I mark my bevel height on both sides and will hog out material all the way up to that line but still leaving a bit of material to blend in and thin out the edge, now here is where I’ve found I can really effect my abrasive life, I do all the hogging at full speed with medium pressure which keeps the belt cutting well but if I try to blend into the edge especially with stainless steels that are heat sensitive you can quickly overheat the edge and so if I keep using the hogging belt I’ll likely burn the edge or end up going through quite a few belts to always have a fresh belt (means I may only get 1-2 chef knives from a belt then I change out to a new one) this can be quite expensive and I’ve found even slowing down with the hogging belt doesn’t necessarily help completely as the belt then wants to glaze or clog. So here’s where the second vsm belt comes in I use a 80 grit XK733X line belt it looks like these belts were actually designed for materials like aluminum with a special coating to keep the grinding area cool without using greases. I switch to this belt to blend the final grind in and thin out the edge, this works really well even on stainless steels going down to .005-.007 thou without getting the edge hot, I run these at 30% speed and they still remove a good amount of material quickly. Using this system I can hollow grind a hardened 8” chef knife in under 20 minutes from full thickness. By using both lines of belts for different stages I can get 5-6 chef knives out of my first ceramic belt instead of 1-2 and I can get almost the same number out of the 80 grit belt, the guys at Popsknifesupply have been calling the XK733X belts white lightning, they have also found the white color of the belt makes it easier to see what you are doing acting like a bright backdrop. Again I hope someone find this information useful since the topic of belts comes up frequently. IMG_9711.jpegIMG_9710.jpeg
 
I love VSM abrasives also. I have great luck with the Actirox and the 880's. I feel the 880's leave a nicer finish than the 870's. I tried the 733's about a year and half ago and didn't care for them. The VSM website states they are for non-ferrous metal and the coating is designed to prevent clogging as opposed to cooling. With that said, Josh was correct, everyone grinds differently, at different speeds and different pressure, so what works great for me may not work great for others.
 
The majority of the belts I buy are VSM. They've always seemed like the best value for the money compared to other belts. I also like the Trizact belts from 3M. They're pricey, but worth it, IMO.

I've not tried the white lightning belts yet. I may have to give them a try...
 
I have a set of white lightnings I will try next week. I have been using the 885 series VSM; what is the difference between 880 and 885? I get confused with them having the Optimal, 760, 870, 880 and 885 series! On my suppliers website, it doesn't really do much to explain the differences, so it's a buy and try type thing. I do like the Actirox for the 36 hogger, but I save those for the more wear resistant steels like S90V. I was running a 4" drive wheel on my 3650 RPM motor, but dinged it badly recently, so I bought a 6" as it's replacement, so I can get a bit faster for my top end speed.
 
I was a little confused with all the options of the the VSM line myself. I have been using 885 VSMs and I just read that they are a medium to high contact pressure belt. This makes sense as I find them adequate to start but always feel that I don't get the best life expectancy out of the belts and I usually run grinder on slower speeds and I am lighter on pressrue.

The 880 says it is ideal for medium pressure so I probaly should give them a try.

Thank you Joshua.
 
I have a set of white lightnings I will try next week. I have been using the 885 series VSM; what is the difference between 880 and 885? I get confused with them having the Optimal, 760, 870, 880 and 885 series! On my suppliers website, it doesn't really do much to explain the differences, so it's a buy and try type thing. I do like the Actirox for the 36 hogger, but I save those for the more wear resistant steels like S90V. I was running a 4" drive wheel on my 3650 RPM motor, but dinged it badly recently, so I bought a 6" as it's replacement, so I can get a bit faster for my top end speed.
I'm not sure what the difference between the 880 and 885 is. I've tried the 760 and didn't care for it. Belt life did not seem as good as the 870. The 870 (red) has been my go-to for 36 grit, 60/80(I use those interchangeably) and the 120 grit. I have now gone to the Actirox for 36 grit, the 870 for 60/80 and the 880 for 120. I found the life expectancy between the 870 and 880 to be about equal, with the only difference being the consistency of the scratches. The 880 is just a little nicer finish before going to the Trizact belts. There is no magic answer, it takes trial and error for each person.
 
I have a set of white lightnings I will try next week. I have been using the 885 series VSM; what is the difference between 880 and 885? I get confused with them having the Optimal, 760, 870, 880 and 885 series! On my suppliers website, it doesn't really do much to explain the differences, so it's a buy and try type thing. I do like the Actirox for the 36 hogger, but I save those for the more wear resistant steels like S90V. I was running a 4" drive wheel on my 3650 RPM motor, but dinged it badly recently, so I bought a 6" as it's replacement, so I can get a bit faster for my top end speed.
the 885 are for high contact pressure and the 880 are for medium contact pressure. The actirox is for low to medium pressure and is also a great belt.
 
I love VSM abrasives also. I have great luck with the Actirox and the 880's. I feel the 880's leave a nicer finish than the 870's. I tried the 733's about a year and half ago and didn't care for them. The VSM website states they are for non-ferrous metal and the coating is designed to prevent clogging as opposed to cooling. With that said, Josh was correct, everyone grinds differently, at different speeds and different pressure, so what works great for me may not work great for others.
I think with the 733s the anti clogging is what helps with grinding cooler, it’s similar to using a grease stick on a belt but without any of the mess or contaminates. That said I run them slow as well and with the 80 grit belt I can easily grind the last 10% of my bevels down to my desired edge thickness on 5-6 chef knives before the belt starts feeling worn.
 
Interesting story about VSM.
Many years back a fellow came to see me at the store. He was in town on business and had heard I was a knifemaker from someone else. We chatted and he bought a kitchen knife. I asked him if he was a collector, or a user, and he said he had a few knives but what he did for a living was manufacture abrasives. He said he owned VSM. He asked for my shipping address and I gave it to him. A few weeks later a big box arrived with 6 or 7 dozen assorted belts. No letter or anything. I never saw him again, don't know his name, or where he was from. Don't know if he actually owns the company or was a distributer, but I really appreciated the belts. Hope he reads this and gets my Thank You.
 
I think with the 733s the anti clogging is what helps with grinding cooler, it’s similar to using a grease stick on a belt but without any of the mess or contaminates. That said I run them slow as well and with the 80 grit belt I can easily grind the last 10% of my bevels down to my desired edge thickness on 5-6 chef knives before the belt starts feeling worn.
That makes sense. A clean belt is going to cut better/cooler
 
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