Wanna buy an UZI???

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drjones

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Ok, so what's the deal with this: I'm looking at www.botachtactical.com , and notice that they have, among loads of other goodies, UZI's for sale! So, I start clicking away, and lo and behold, I'm faced with an order form, begging me for my name and address. On some other pages, where they are selling larger guns, there is a banner disclaiming "Law Enforcement and Military sales ONLY."

Funny, this was not the case on the UZI page!!!!:D

My question is: would I get busted for even trying to buy one?

drjones
 
The main Uzi page has the warning.

The sad thing is to look at those prices, then look up what it would cost for you, as a civilian, to purchase an Uzi, since there are only a limited number of them which are 'pre-ban' (ie, legal for civilian purchase).

--JB
 
Cool! :D

I think this is something of an oversight on their part. I have a very hard time believing that they'd ship if the order form were completed and sent. The paperwork involved with the sale of an NFA firearm, even to a law enforcement agency, is significant.


I have not read up on NFA law recently, but I don't believe that trying to order one from their website would be nearly enough to prosecute. Now, if you actually received one, that's a different story...


If you're in the USA and have a clean record, you can probably legally purchase a real, honest to gawd full auto Uzi. Vektor Industries is selling off a stock of them for approx US$3,000 each, or $2,500 each if you buy 3 at a time.
 
Ben: The ones at botach were, get this, $700!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Can you believe THAT???

Worth a shot...

drjones
 
Most people just assume that civillians can't legaly own class three firearms. Class three includes; full auto, suppressed, short barrel shotguns(under 18") and those one shot pen guns. All of these guns can be owned legaly. The full auto have to be made before 1984. You also have to pay a tax to the federal gov. and have to file a bunch of paperwork fingerprints and such. It is all worth it when you let off your first clip from an MP5. If you are interested in machine guns I suggest you contact a class three dealer and speak about the specifics. Oh yeah you can find mack 10's for fairly cheap(about $1,000) but don't get one they suck.
 
Prices are ruled by the laws of supply and demand. When new manufacture for civilian sales was stopped by Congress, the total number of full-auto's was fixed. Over time, prices have risen as more affluent people bought them, driving prices up and, cutting the resale as people bought them for investments and other reasons and effectively took them out of the market. In the past, people would turn them over but, now people who own them seem to keep them (sit on them) so, the numbers on the open market are further reduced.

This market behaves in ways very similar to the semi-auto pre-ban market though. At times pre-ban semi-AK-47's were ~$2500 then slumped to ~$700 after the feeding frenzy died. Then prices slowly crept up over time.

We you look at prices for Law Enforcement and Militrary sales, you are seeing a tax free price. It's not a whole lot different then buying gasoline that respect. In a lot of area's, the tax on a gallon of gasoline or diesel is ~35-45cents. If you drive a diesel VW or pickup, checkout the price of "farm" diesel when you get a chance - a real eye opening experience for most people.

With regards to buying a Class 3 item, you could pay your money but never get the transfer. It's not like buying a book from Amazon.com or knife from 1SKS.com. As referenced above, the local dealer who does the transfer for you will require a completed form 4 for civilian transfer before the firearm is released to your possession.

Tom Bower's Subguns forum
 
An interesting thing to note about 'machineguns' (as defined in the NFA) is that hand-crank gatling guns are exempt. Because the crank must be continually operated by hand, they are completely legal, and considered to be ordinary firearms. Attach an electric motor to the crank, though, and you have just manufactured an unregistered machinegun:eek:

will22: the NFA also covers short-barrel rifles (under 16"), as well as 'destructive devices' (certain large-bore rifles, grenades, etc.)

Sid: Bush (41, not 43) actually was the one to prohibit new manufacture of machineguns. He could not prohibit it, so he signed an executive order prohibiting the IRS from accepting taxes on them. Since they cannot accept the tax, they cannot provide you with the tax stamp for your Form 4 paperwork, so you cannot complete the registration. While much better than Klinton, Bush was not exactly a 'pro-gun' President, and has stated that he believes no civilians should own machineguns.

--JB
 
He's right about the investment value of full auto they tend to just get more expensive. As far as the gattling gun thing you can buy a kit that turns the actions from two mini 30's or sks's into a crank powered gatling gun for like $600. Then you have to add another $800 for the two guns. This is legal do to the fact that you are pulling the trigger each time the guns go off. And for a cheaper alternetive there is a device that clams on the trigger gaurd of any semi auto and has a ring to put your finger in. Instead of pulling the trigger you move your finger in a circle like pedaling a bike. Inside the mechanism there is a oblong disk that depresses the trigger twice for every revolution of your finger. I have never used it and don't know how well they work but the instalation seems to be muck easyer than those Hellfire ones. When I get enough money I am just going to go for the real deal and do the paperwork. Also when you go to get the paperwork you have to sit down with the chief of police and he can say no. If that happens you can sidestep him and the fingerprints by having a lawer make you a corporation. All this means is adding "& Co." or "incorporated" to the end of your name. the reason for this is that a corporation is legaly alowed to own full auto. And how can a corporation have fingerprints? You will still have to do the federal tax and papers. I don't know the exact procedure but this is just one way to get around being stonewalled by the chief.
I Urge anyone who is interested in these wonderfull guns to try to get them. It is our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT and just cause they make it hard doesn't mean we should not do it.
 
The McClure-Volkmer (sp?) Act stopped the manufacture of civilian machine guns. If a presendential order stopped the acceptance of the $200 tax, why can we still get our form 4's on "pre-ban's"? Whether I get an MP-5 made yesterday or 20 years ago seems like an irrelevant detail - either I own one legally or I don't - date of birth doesn't affect its ability to shoot.
 
Sorry, I was a bit out of it, and combined Bush's EO banning import of certain foreign-made firearms with the FOPA machingun provisions (Title 18, U.S.C., Chapter 44, Section 922 (o), if anyone is interested).

Still, a bill does not become law if the President vetos it, so Bush was still responsible. And the entire NFA is a tax-based system - posession of an unregistered machinegun is actually a tax violation (ie, not paying the registration tax).

--JB
 
Originally posted by drjones
Ben: The ones at botach were, get this, $700!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Can you believe THAT???

Worth a shot...

drjones
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Yep. I have an FFL bud who sometimes uses me to run down odd items. I look at the world in dealer prices.

As much as anything else, it's because non LEO/Military/DoE people in the US are restricted to haggling over the X-thousand NFA items on the books as of May 86. And some have broken, or been sold into a collection that they'll never escape from reducing things further.

Wanna see something really, truly disgusting? Find out how much one hundred used AKMs cost, each. Or how much a major US police department pays for its glocks.
 
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