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WARNING: Pekko Nilakka Folder!!!!

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by hollowdweller, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Well I'll be damned!

    No I didn't! I'm gonna have to go back and look in the box!

    Well they're 100% right but I'm not sure what the intended purpose would be then?? Fillet knife?

    To me puukko means especially a woodcarving blade.

    I've been working on mine since last night and got all but 2 of the little dimples out of the blade after I took it back about a 32nd. Put a convex secondary on it and took it out today and carved some oak and the same sycamore limb and it seems to be doing fine now.

    I like a thin edge and don't mind taking it back to the min thickness it is sturdy at. But I think they should put that in the ad for these.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2012
  2. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    If you don't mind, and have some time, could you please detail just what the intended scope of use would be for this knife? I don't expect it to do everything, but I thought making a few straight cuts on soft wood should be within the capabilities of a knife. If this is supposed to be a straight razor rather than a knife, I would appreciate knowing that.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2012
  3. pap11y

    pap11y

    Jul 4, 2012
    I would be seriously upset if in your situation.

    When a Pukko design is essentially (to me) a carver, this is pathetic.

    I think that Phillipstead's post is a little too one sided for the manufacturer. If you were trying to Baton that would be different.

    Thanks for the warning, I'll stay clear of this design...
     
  4. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    I'm not upset at all. I put a 20° secondary bevel on mine and it is working just fine. I just don't believe in pretending there is nothing wrong when I'm pretty sure there is something amiss. If shaving arm hair is the intended scope of use, they need to say that. If cutting anything harder than balsa wood is to be considered abuse, they need to state that. While I admire the courage it took to market a production full flat zero grind folder, I believe Sal needs to rethink this. Or at least change the drop-out card to better reflect the limitations of the blade.
     
  5. videl

    videl

    172
    Mar 24, 2012
    That's the thing though, what IS the specific type of task? "Using the Nilakka in ways that are inconsistent with the intent of the design" / "If used within the scope of design intent" What is the intent of this design????? Pekka, Sal? Surely the intent is not to have the ELU re-profile the knife to an edge that can handle more than opening letters, a traditional wood crafting design that is clearly not up for the task, some clarification is needed on the intended use of this knife. A high performance cutting tool, but only when cutting certain material in a certain way?
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2012
  6. Dan57

    Dan57

    Apr 8, 2012
    I'm not really surprised by this. A full zero grind, and on a fairly wide blade, too.
     
  7. pwet

    pwet

    Feb 13, 2009
    i'll take a look at my takeda if i have time today, with a ruler and a caliper. i said i had no knives that acute but i think that my gyuto is in line with what i read. it's sharpened flat on the grind, the grind is quite highand the thickness on top of the bevels is way less than on the nilakka. this knife is very delicate but still handles chopping food on a cutting board all day long.

    so maybe the problem is more the steel than the geometry. the takeda is aogami super (super blue)at 63hrc.
     
  8. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    A properly executed zero grind would not do this and I have zero ground blades. Spyderco will remedy this one.
     
  9. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Here's mine before reprofiling
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  10. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    whoa... bumpy.
     
  11. 23698012

    23698012

    188
    Jul 7, 2011
    Wow Hollow, I didn't think it would be that bad. You made a serrated knife out of that.
     
  12. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
  13. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Man, thanks for those pix. That's a Block of a folder!
    Could there be a HT problem?
     
  14. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Lycosa,

    I mean, I GUESS they could have got it too hot grinding it since the edge is so thin, but my guess it that the edge is just too thin and the tempering is OK. But time will tell.
     
  15. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    HD- I have thin edge blades and they don't roll. I'm sure Sal will chime in soon.
     
  16. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Me too. But I'm not sure I got any this thin.
     
  17. Fanglekai

    Fanglekai

    Jan 7, 2007
    Do any other knives have s30v that thin? I wonder what kind of testing Spyderco did because that damage from a little whittling is unacceptable.
     
  18. CapitalizedLiving

    CapitalizedLiving

    Dec 1, 2007
    I can't wait for a blade redesign. This is an awesome folder just waiting to happen!
     
  19. Talley1013

    Talley1013

    414
    Oct 15, 2010
    Wow. Glad I saw this. I almost bought one last friday at a local knife shop. I think I'll wait and see how this plays out first before pulling the trigger on this guy. It looks and feels AWESOME but I know I'll want to use it so I'd better wait.
     
  20. jtoler_9

    jtoler_9 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Thanks for the posts all. This type of discussion makes the forum so informative. I would hope that either something was off and needs to be adjusted, or "intended use" needs to be much more defined beforehand. Keep us posted Yab..
     

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