Wet Grinding?

Bill DeShivs

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Has anyone tried wet grinding with a belt grinder?
It would keep dust to an absolute minimum, and keep your steel, etc. much cooler.
Should be simple enough to build-just a "dripper" for the belt, and a bucket to catch the drips-or a funnel with tubing through the floor as a drain.
 
i have and it works great for keeping a blade cool. i'm going to make up a sprayer to put a mist of water right where i want it which should cut down on the ammount of mess.
 
Brian,
Can you elaborate? Enco doesn't list a "mister."
I could actually rig a tray for my contact wheels to run it, pretty easily.
 
Brian, is your water cooled platen totally cooled internally by the circulating water or does it also have external "mist" cooling?
Start looking at page 807 in their online catalog.
There are a lot to chose from.
 
Not the same as wet grinding but, could help especially in combination and may answer part of JDM61's question. At a knife show someone had a platen that had been cross drilled out and setup so that water circulated through it. He swore it keep the belts and blade cooler.

I like the misting idea too. Sprayed at the top of a platen or contact wheel it should help. Mostly in the higher grits when you slow the belt down and are finishing a HTed blade. On high speed, low grit belts it might help too, but I am not sure it would keep the mess down.
 
I have built and used a lot of wet belts for lapidary work. They work well and keep heat down, but are a lot messier than a dry grinder. They also run slower than our KMG/Bader types.

My first purchased wet grinder was a used glass grinder which is basically a two-wheel belt grinder with water spray. It had a 3X132" belt size, and stood about five feet tall. I sold it years ago, before I got back into making knives, but it was a good machine, just big. I don't think it was really conducive to doing the type of grinding knifemakers do.

Unless you want a stripe of water and rust on the ceiling, wall, floor, and yourself, it takes a lot more than a drip bucket to deal with the spray. You will need to make a shield that stops the spray and has a collection tube into a drip bucket. This will need to encase all the belt except the contact area. Everything in the grinder area will be exposed to a fine mist and high humidity, so regular rust prevention cleaning and waxing/oiling will be required. Any expensive tools, like mills, drills, band saws, and dry belt grinders, should be in another room or building. What is in the room with the wet grinder will be prone to rust. Mold and mildew will also be concerns in warmer climates. Very good 24/7 ventilation is a must.

Getting the water on the belt is the easiest part. A tin can with a tiny hole would do that, but a simple and cheap sprayer is available from many sources. Wire it to turn on and off with the grinder.

Other issues are:
They can't be used well with dust/air extraction, as the hoses and tubing will get gunked up with the damp swarf.

You will also need to purchase water-proof belts. With a good spray collection shield, belt changes are a bit more complicated.

Obviously, everything involved in the build will need to be either a non-rusting metal, or well painted. Most home built lapidary wet belt grinders have plywood cases which are fiberglassed. Sheet aluminum works well ,too.
 
y'all are fancy.

I just get wet.

Not terribly so with a mister, but wet none the less.

Some water drips on the floor, and some gets flung on the wall, but not a ton.
1 gallon on a mister goes a LONG time before needing a re-fill.

I mostly wet grind on the finer, slower belts though.
As a matter fact, only on the finer, slower belts.
 
This is from Bob T's book Anatomy of a linerlock folder. I tried every kind of contraption even an
air hose hooked to a garden sprayer. This works slick, a spray bottle or dawn dish detergent
bottle to keep the sponge wet. Far and away the best I've ever used. Ken.
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If you look to the right even the old square wheel that runs at full speed has a clamp for
a sponge on it. I can't remember the last time I used it that way. I grind most folder blades
already hard so anything 220grit or higher this really helps. Never had any sort of problem
with belts not being waterproof.
Ken.
 
I had to grind some pearl recently. A spray bottle worked pretty well.
Love the sponge setup!
 
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