What gear for high-rise building emergency escape?

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I'm moving to a new job--which will entail moving from my current office (with a ground-level emergency door six feet from my nose) into a 12th-floor office downtown. That will put me close to the top floor of that building (though, among the downtown skyscraper cluster, my building is pretty insignificant.)

It occurs to me that it'd be a good idea to include in my in-office survival gear something--if readily, feasibly workable--that'd let me get out of the building if bad things happened and, a la September 11th--the stairwells were jammed or otherwise unusuable. I remember working in a maybe-10-story building shortly after September 11th, and we had a fire drill, and it was very eye-opening to me how jammed the hallways and stairways were during the drill. Basically, if there'd been a serious fire, an awful lot of us would have been dead. Not good.

It occurs to me that maybe it would not be all that wildly-bad an idea to invest in whatever it'd take to get out of the building in event of a fire (or riot, or terrorist event), without recourse to the elevators and stairs. One of the first thoughts I've thought to think when weighing emergency-prep issues is this: is the situation I'm entering (or in) one in which the status quo is going to be fatal (or otherwise a problem)? So, for example, since I live in a desert, and depend on functioning electricity to have an ambient temperature below 115 degrees F and water, I keep water in my office, just against the possibility that something will go wrong and I'll only have what I've stored away.

So, guys, what do I do?

The most practical option appears to me to be a rockclimbing-like rope descent. Yeah, I know--before trying to resurrect my (decades-rusty) rappelling skills during a fire, I ought to check to make sure I'm not going to abseil right into a fire and melt my rope, etc. Is the idea an absolute waste of time? If not, what do I need to know about this idea? What's the minimum I can get away with in terms of the rope I get? (Thin would be good, as the wider it is, not only the more expensive it is, but the bulkier it is. A 3/4-inch cord that I have to leave at home in the suburbs because there's no room isn't going to be as useful as a thinner one I can actually keep unobtrusively in my office.) I don't anticipate using the cord much. Like, single-use might be fine; I don't anticipate monthly ascents of Yosemite's Half Dome. A harness would likely be a good thing, as would a figure-eight--or are there "descender" gadgets that will basically let one make the contemplated one-way escape trip in one piece?

Any ideas you have about where to get such equipment as inexpensively as possible are welcome, as well.

Also, what do you emergency-responder/law-enforcer folks know about breaking windows in a tall building: anything special needed for this? Might be nice to avoid showering the streets with 3-foot sections of sharp glass--though, depending on the situation, this might already have happened.

I already keep multiple flashlights (or little LEDs, etc.) around wherever I go, and where I can find them by feel without light; and on many occasions, I've been the one guy in my company who had a light when the electricity went out and the building I was in suddenly became tomb-dark in the middle of the day. Any other useful things to keep nearby for if the downtown building suddenly becomes a low-tech survival venue? At this writing, I'm not clear whether anything more weapon-like than a multi-tool or Swiss Army pocketknife is going to be permitted, as the government entity for which I'll be working is somewhat sensitive about these things, and has controlled access and metal detectors at the doors, with some people being exempt from the "no weapons" rules, but most not.

Thanks, in advance, for your thoughts.
 
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if you can get it in, i would say bring a big pry bar or maybe one of those destruction hammers that has a prybar built in and a stud-ripper, as well as a hammer face and nail puller....

i know that 550 cord is supposed to have a 550 pound tensile strength rating, but i would suggest doing some backyard testing before trusting your life to it. i don't know much about climbing or getting out of high buildings, but a strong, thin cord like 550 cord, a minimalistic (easy to use) harness, and some sort of slow-drop cord attachment (or suitable knot-rig) would probably get you out of the building safely.

i used a 3/4" sisal rope with butterfly knots (ninja ladder) to climb up and down distances around 14 feet probably, last week while exploring. it worked well, but you won't need to get back up, so i think some sort of arrestor knot might do well to slow your descent of a line, or you could just do it rappel style.
 
Grappeling hook and ninja boots, or a parachute....

Jk man. Ya know, im am not at all familiar with the high angle stuff, besides fast roping and rappeling. I can say that it might not be a bad idea to brush up on some knots, and learn to tie your own seat if you dont know how already.....
 
John Maclean would use the ducting.

Sorry for the bad joke. I worked in plenty of hirises, including the WTC and Empire state building. Its scary stuff to think about what could happen and what did happen. Being 12 stories up, approx 120' it is feesable to rapel down, however I would definately learn the skills if that was my option. I definately wouldn't trust 550 cord though.
 
How about some 1/4" steel cable with some sort of Jumar set-up? Coiled it would store pretty easy, yet would be strong as well as flame prrof.
 
Bruce I wear one of those belts every day at work. Mines made by blackhawk though. I would totally trust it to rappel in an emergency.
 
550 cord is ABSOULUTELY NOT MEANT FOR RAPPELING. Do not try this. Please.

I will second this. DO NOT USE 550 PARACORD FOR LIFE SAFETY USES.



REPEAT!


DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE USE 550 PARACORD FOR LIFE SAFETY USE!!!!!

:grumpy:

if you absolutely MUST rappel out of building thats on fire, get the proper gear: a 1/4" thick x 20+ feet long RATED braided wirerope anchor, steel biners, ledge guard to prevent abrasion, and fire rated rope for 9ie fire fighters bailout bag setup, and a proper harness..

then get EXTENSIVE training and learnt he limitations of such a system.

then TRAIN, over and over and over and over again.

Then buy fresh NEW gear and store it properly at your office.

etc.
 
I will second this. DO NOT USE 550 PARACORD FOR LIFE SAFETY USES.



REPEAT!


DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE USE 550 PARACORD FOR LIFE SAFETY USE!!!!!

:grumpy:

if you absolutely MUST rappel out of building thats on fire, get the proper gear: a 1/4" thick x 20+ feet long RATED braided wirerope anchor, steel biners, ledge guard to prevent abrasion, and fire rated rope for 9ie fire fighters bailout bag setup, and a proper harness..

then get EXTENSIVE training and learnt he limitations of such a system.

then TRAIN, over and over and over and over again.

Then buy fresh NEW gear and store it properly at your office.

etc.

This.

Use proper equipment, train to use it, and store a new set at the office. 12 floors can be rappelled fairly quickly and easily if you know what you're doing.
 
Just a thought: when the power goes out or an alarm goes off, everyone heads for the stairwells. The elevator shafts are clear. A prybar gets the doors open, and there's cables more than sufficient to carry your weight. A way to get to them and a couple prussiks with runners on them (plus an extra for a harness if one so desires) and you take a straight line down and outside.
Again, a bit John McLean (lol), but without grabbing on and sliding down using your hands. Any Otis guys on board who could flesh this out a bit more?

If the car starts to move as responders come into the building, so much the better (there's space at the bottom of shafts, you won't get squished) Shafts have their own ventilation to get rid of air displaced by the car's normal movement, so smoke will be reduced as well in the event of fire.

Obviously we're talking about dire circumstances only, but it seems to me like the logical first choice. In a situation like this, other people will cause bottlenecks and should be avoided...

For an outside route, there's always a body rappel which doesn't require any gear, but it's not so great for vertical abseils (ouch). I mentioned in another post, but the Swiss Seat is a quick and easy sit harness that can be tied with 12' of rope.

On paracord: I see 2 problems with it (besides the SWL, which can be pushed in life-or-death if one so desires). First is simply generating enough friction to actually slow you down as you get to the ground. I've goofed around with 550 and a 'Figure 8' descender - IIRC there's nowhere near enough friction to stop a rappel, but it was a long time ago. The second, and perhaps most important, point is that 550 is just too slim to hold in the hand to rappel with.

I assume that most know this but for those who don't, Safe Working Load for lifting people, lifting loads overhead of people, and playground equipment are 10% of the breaking strength. Therefore, 550 cord is fine as long as you weigh less than 55 lbs...
 
You could aussie an elevator shaft fairly easy with the propper training. Good thoughts man, the shafts slipped my mind....
 
For an Aussie you'd need the running end to be slack like normal, no? Either way, you wouldn't be able to manipulate the cable - due to sheer weight it would be more a firepole than a rappel line.

That's what made me go with prussiks: you use them like ascenders but slide 'em down the line instead of up.
 
I haven't got any real experience of this matter, but here's some random thoughts:

"Preparedness NOW" by Aton Edwards might be a good book to start with. A bit gear-head approach, but a pretty good book anyway.

About the gear... if you lower down a rope, are you gonna be the only one climbing down? Think about it; if the buildings on fire, the stairways filled with smoke, and you start lowering a huge reel of rope down... When you get half way down, how many people is the rope supporting, and are they all trained to rappel down, or are they gonna end up falling on you? But, to be fair, I'd rather try rappeling down than jump down, if it comes to that.

A bit off topic, but consider purchasing a smoke escape hood, a fire extinguishing blanket, a really bright flashlight (you can get a backup one cheap, check candlelightforums for reviews), and a small prybar.

A smoke escape hood: most people who die in fires die because of the smoke, not due to heat.

Fire extinguishing blanket, doesn't take much space on you office drawer, cheap piece of gear, but might help a lot.

Bright flashlight. Usually (IMHO) the CR123-eating high-lumen monsters are not convenient for edc use, but for backup-use for a fire, they are definately worth it. Seeing through thick smoke requires some serious lumens

Prybar. Can be used to break, pry and for plenty other stuff. Since heat expands materials (doors too), some doors might be jammed shut when you get to them.

Maybe it might be a good idea to put this stuff in some sort of a bag... During an alarm, if you're not sure wheter its the real deal or only a fire drill, you might not wanna run around in a smoke escape hood, wrapped in a fire blanket holding a pry bar... So you could just grab that back to be on the safe side, so you don't end up noticing at the 6th floor in the stairway, that the ships going down and your gear is at the 12th.

Hope this helps :)
 
DON'T WAIT ! Some people in the WTC were knocked off their chairs then the supervisors said 'it's ok get back to work !' At the very first hint of a problem get out. Seconds count !
 
Get a lifetime membership to Air-Evac or some helicopter ambulance serivece, go to the roof call'em up and say come get me, I am about to be injured. if that don't work buy a Inspector Gadget Hat O Copter. Pat
 
attej hit one nail on the head. Prepare to deal with the smoke, it will blind and suffocate you before you burn. MSA makes a wide range of firefighter masks. Pick up a filter to deal with the smoke at a nearby dealer. For less than 50-60.00 you should be in a better position to manuever.

demo bar mentioned above is also good to have.

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