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What handle?

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by jblyttle, May 19, 2016.

  1. jblyttle

    jblyttle Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2014
    I'm too lazy to post pics right now, but I have a really nice C Hammond hewing head that I want to hang. It weighs 3.75lb, is 8-1/8" long and has a 6-1/2" edge. What type and how long a handle would be appropriate?
     
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  2. Old Axeman

    Old Axeman Gold Member Gold Member

    784
    Jan 10, 2015
    Need pictures to comment.
     
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  3. jblyttle

    jblyttle Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2014
    Yeah, I knew when I posted that I wouldn't get away without pics. :)

    It is stamped with a single number "5", but is clearly not 5lbs. Was this a model or size number? I have seen smaller heads like this with lower numbers stamped onto them. Are these like shoe sizes?

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  4. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    Something like this.

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  5. halfaxe

    halfaxe

    Nov 29, 2012
    Sometimes those numbers correspond to the blade width but sometimes just the model number. I see straight handles with a wider zone where the hand is on older handles. I would guess about 14-18" on that one.
     
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  6. jblyttle

    jblyttle Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2014
    It looks like House Handle has nothing for this. They have a broadaxe handle, but it's 3' long. It looks like the only possibility would be the faller's axe handle, which has the right eye size and is 20". It would work but would not be the ideal shape. House handles come fat so some reshaping may be possible. Another option that I would be more likely to do would be to re-purpose and shorten a regular full sized axe handle that I already have. My third option would be to make my own. I have not made this type before so would be good to try but I was hoping for a faster option. It is ultimately what I will attempt though. I think.
     
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  7. cityofthesouth

    cityofthesouth

    Jan 29, 2014
    Does it have an unusual eye size jb? I'd probably just get a straight handle for a full size axe and then rework it to get something close to what Square_peg showed (although that does kinda look like a regular curved handle with the end cut off). The pic could just be fooling my eyes, but the head looks kinda tweaked. Is there something about these kinds of heads I don't know about (probably!)? I have ordered their broad axe handle before and I think they come long so that you can just cut it to whatever length, but since this thing has double bevels .... ???? Maybe it's meant to be flipped around for working left and right handed?
     
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  8. Steve Tall

    Steve Tall

    Aug 28, 2010
    The broad axe from Wetterlings is about 4 pounds with a 6.9" edge (double bevel), and the handle options are 20" and 26". The 20" handle looks like it could have started out as a 26" handle, with the end cut off:

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  9. halfaxe

    halfaxe

    Nov 29, 2012
    Some of my broad hatchets. They mostly have straight 14-16 inch handles that were on them when I bought them. One rehandle I did with an axe-eye hammer handle on the four inch Vaughn and Bushnell at the top. The rest are 5 inches. The one below the tape is an Atco by Amoskeag Axe Company. I see straight handles on some up to 8 or 9 inch bits, then they are mostly offset handles.
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    On some older two side bevel axes like yours I've seen straight handles that taper towards the butt end with the widest part under where the hand is. I have a couple at my cabin so I can't take a picture. I never see that type of handle for sale.
     
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  10. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    Here's the thing, it's a multi-purpose felling/hewing axe. A small masting axe. The upturned handle keeps you from barking your knuckles during hewing. No offset because it's a double bevel axe. The upturned handled makes it a super open hang which reduces it's usefulness in felling - but it can still do it since it's double bevelled. Trade offs to be multi-purpose.

    But this axe will mostly be used for hewing so get your hands clear with the upturned handle.
     
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  11. Old Axeman

    Old Axeman Gold Member Gold Member

    784
    Jan 10, 2015
    Yes, like shoe sizes. In my 1891 A.G. Peck & Co axes and edge tool catalog they list double bevel broad hatchets like yours in sizes 1 thru 6. 4 1/2" cut thru 6 3/4" cut. The original handle for your broad hatchet is a shape that you will have to make yourself if that is what you want . It is straight and a 16 or 18" would be my choice. I can copy some old catalog pages and send them snail mail if you want.
    The way I would use this fine old broad hatchet is the old world style of hewing. Across the pond they did it somewhat different than we did. About the time of An Ax To Grind I decided to compare our hewing style to theirs. With a large double bevel you have to hew with the plane of one of the bevels in the same plane as the surface of the face you want on the stick. This cocks the straight handle (no offset, no upturn) off to the side to clear your knuckles. Another advantage, because of the double bevels, is you can hew right or left handed without switching handles or having two axes. They used lighter weights- 3-5 lb heads and set the stick higher than us- not knee height but a little less than waist height worked well for me. Of course on this side of the pond we were working with much larger Dia. sticks that were difficult to elevate to waist height. Bottom line, I hewed a 14' x 16' log workshop old world style. It went well for me once I worked it all out. I would do it again, it was a lot eaiser on my old back. I used the GB double bevel 1900, 1800, and 1700 broad axes. I did not like the 1700, the 1900 worked good, but I really took to their 1800 model !
     
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  12. Yankee Josh

    Yankee Josh Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 31, 2018
    I am currently mulling this question over myself. I'm definitely making a helve for this broad(mast) axe; 15661714715472841019200430560601.jpg

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    The question is what shape!? I found this awhile back on Jim Bode's website and I really like the look of it. Definitely appears old! What do you guys think? Screenshot_20190818-192810_Photos.jpg
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    To me it looks correct even though it's so different. I'm curious to see what your thoughts are if you don't mind chipping in! Thanks!
     
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  13. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

    808
    Apr 20, 2017
    I'm not going to pretend I know anything about this other than what I've seen online. But mostly they seem to want an open hang, either like as you have posted above or quite a pronounced belly. I'll be interested to hear what the experts say.
     
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  14. Meek1

    Meek1

    152
    Aug 11, 2019
    Have you ever tried beavertooth handle company? They have a few broad axe options on their website. I have ordered from him in the past. He treated me very well.
     
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  15. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    Broadaxe handles are offset. A masting axe is double beveled and needs a straight haft preferably with an upturn.
     
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  16. Yankee Josh

    Yankee Josh Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 31, 2018
    I'm aware of the distinction. But thank you:D.
    What I was hoping to find out was if you, or any of you, like the shape of that haft I pictured? Or think it would be comfortable and practical to use?
    I just like the look of it but hadn't seen that style before with a backwards turn at the shoulder. I'll probably do it anyway to try it but wanted to pick everyone's brain a little first. :thumbsup:
     
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  17. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

    808
    Apr 20, 2017
    I think he was responding to meek. At any rate, I say go for it! Got to have real nice piece of wood for that...
     
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  18. Ernest DuBois

    Ernest DuBois

    Mar 2, 2013
    It might be worth your time to look at the no longer active blog called Blue Oak and the entries on hewing. He gives some of the best information I have found on this style of axe use, you see work with these axes including staging and technique so a bit more comprehensive than just a look at handles.
     
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  19. Ernest DuBois

    Ernest DuBois

    Mar 2, 2013
    Oh shit, I didn't realize this was an old thread, the perils of these zombie topics, but still, now that it is YJ looking and not JB, information's still relevant.
     
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  20. Meek1

    Meek1

    152
    Aug 11, 2019
    I think it looks awesome and I think you should go for it!
     
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