What is "mammoth ivory" scale?

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Hi there,

Just wanted to know something about titled "mammoth ivory" scale, what the actual material it is?
I see some traditional knife makers are selling the knifes with the scale, but as in my mind, ivory is already pricy enough, plus, in some regions / countries it is restricted, on the other hand, the mammoth can only be found as fossil? so the "mammoth ivory" will be even more hard to find and expensive.
Then how come it can be made to the knife scale material?

Or it's not real "mammoth ivory" or the knowledge in my mind is not correct?

Please advise.
Thanks.
 
Hi there,

Just wanted to know something about titled "mammoth ivory" scale, what the actual material it is?
I see some traditional knife makers are selling the knifes with the scale, but as in my mind, ivory is already pricy enough, plus, in some regions / countries it is restricted, on the other hand, the mammoth can only be found as fossil? so the "mammoth ivory" will be even more hard to find and expensive.
Then how come it can be made to the knife scale material?

Or it's not real "mammoth ivory" or the knowledge in my mind is not correct?

Please advise.
Thanks.

What is Mammoth Ivory?​

In general terms ivory is a hard, white material from the tusks and teeth of animals. Ivory mainly consists of dentine. Irrespective of the species of origin, the chemical structure of the teeth and tusks of mammals is the same.
More specifically, mammoth ivory stems from the tusks of any species of mammoth which belongs to the extinct elephantid genus called Mammuthus. Our mammoth ivory stems from the woolly mammoth (scientific name: Mammuthus primigenius) which was the last species of the genus Mammuthus. Woolly mammoths went extinct around 4000 years ago.*
The term “mammoth ivory” encompasses what is often referred to as “mammoth bark”. Mammoth bark forms the outer layer of a mammoth tusk, while mammoth ivory is the inner core of a tusk (for analogy think trees). Mammoth bark has fascinating patina textures and unique natural colourations while mammoth ivory has a uniform texture and typical “ivory” colourations (usually white or creamy-white).
For hundreds of thousands of years, the woolly, northern or Siberian mammoths, were inhabiting the vast permafrost plains of the Arctic. Permafrost is ground that continuously remains below 0°C (32°F) for two or more years. It is formed from ice holding various types of soil, sand, and rock in combination. The extremely cold Siberian climate coupled with permafrost provide the best conditions for excellent preservation of the species’s remnants such as bones, carcasses, molars and tusks.
The excellent climatic conditions of Siberia for the preservation of mammoth ivory are not to be interpreted as a guarantee that mammoth tusks are always discovered in good condition or as whole pieces. Recovering whole mammoth tusks in top-quality condition is a rarity. Discovering a mammoth tusk pair which belonged to the same animal is literally like finding a needle in a giant haystack.
In reality, most of the time only smaller mammoth ivory pieces are recovered. These fragments are often broken, cracked, decayed and covered in layers of tough mud which has built up over thousands of years. In addition, these mammoth ivory pieces (including bark or tusk fragments) are almost always soaked with moisture on the inside. This requires a delicate drying procedure which lasts for many months (often years) under controlled climatic conditions.


 
In many countries it is legal to use mammoth ivory, whereas elephant ivory sales are banned, so only the mammoth one can be used.
So, it is not just the cost factor.

Mammoth ivory (and molars) is fossilised, so it is basically rock, unlike elephant ivory.
I think it has to be stabilised first before being used.

There seems to be plenty of it in areas like, I think, Siberia.
 

What is Mammoth Ivory?​

In general terms ivory is a hard, white material from the tusks and teeth of animals. Ivory mainly consists of dentine. Irrespective of the species of origin, the chemical structure of the teeth and tusks of mammals is the same.
More specifically, mammoth ivory stems from the tusks of any species of mammoth which belongs to the extinct elephantid genus called Mammuthus. Our mammoth ivory stems from the woolly mammoth (scientific name: Mammuthus primigenius) which was the last species of the genus Mammuthus. Woolly mammoths went extinct around 4000 years ago.*
The term “mammoth ivory” encompasses what is often referred to as “mammoth bark”. Mammoth bark forms the outer layer of a mammoth tusk, while mammoth ivory is the inner core of a tusk (for analogy think trees). Mammoth bark has fascinating patina textures and unique natural colourations while mammoth ivory has a uniform texture and typical “ivory” colourations (usually white or creamy-white).
For hundreds of thousands of years, the woolly, northern or Siberian mammoths, were inhabiting the vast permafrost plains of the Arctic. Permafrost is ground that continuously remains below 0°C (32°F) for two or more years. It is formed from ice holding various types of soil, sand, and rock in combination. The extremely cold Siberian climate coupled with permafrost provide the best conditions for excellent preservation of the species’s remnants such as bones, carcasses, molars and tusks.
The excellent climatic conditions of Siberia for the preservation of mammoth ivory are not to be interpreted as a guarantee that mammoth tusks are always discovered in good condition or as whole pieces. Recovering whole mammoth tusks in top-quality condition is a rarity. Discovering a mammoth tusk pair which belonged to the same animal is literally like finding a needle in a giant haystack.
In reality, most of the time only smaller mammoth ivory pieces are recovered. These fragments are often broken, cracked, decayed and covered in layers of tough mud which has built up over thousands of years. In addition, these mammoth ivory pieces (including bark or tusk fragments) are almost always soaked with moisture on the inside. This requires a delicate drying procedure which lasts for many months (often years) under controlled climatic conditions.


In many countries it is legal to use mammoth ivory, whereas elephant ivory sales are banned, so only the mammoth one can be used.
So, it is not just the cost factor.

Mammoth ivory (and molars) is fossilised, so it is basically rock, unlike elephant ivory.
I think it has to be stabilised first before being used.

There seems to be plenty of it in areas like, I think, Siberia.

Thanks for your replies. Seems they are real mammoth ivory then.
I just could not believe the existing volume of mammoth ivory can support the production of something in nowadays life, just like the knives scales, as the fossils cannot be reproduced as the mammoth is extinct.
 
Mammoth ivory (and molars) is fossilised, so it is basically rock, unlike elephant ivory.
I think it has to be stabilised first before being used.
Not fossilized. "Deep Frozen" ... perhaps.
(from post number 2)
The extremely cold Siberian climate coupled with permafrost provide the best conditions for excellent preservation of the species’s remnants such as bones, carcasses, molars and tusks.

How would a rock (fossilized whatever) be "stalized"?
To "stabilize" an epoxy resin is forced through the material filling the pores and any voids, and allowed to harden.

What more "stable" than a rock?
Even "soft" semi precious rocks like turquoise and jasper are not "stabilized".
Dino fossiles are not stailized. (BTW: the dino skeletons on display today are not fossiles.
They are cast reproductions of the fossile. The original fossile was used to make the mold.
The actual fossiles are not on display. They are kept "in the back" for reserch.)
 
In many countries it is legal to use mammoth ivory, whereas elephant ivory sales are banned, so only the mammoth one can be used.
So, it is not just the cost factor.

Mammoth ivory (and molars) is fossilised, so it is basically rock, unlike elephant ivory.
I think it has to be stabilised first before being used.

There seems to be plenty of it in areas like, I think, Siberia.

I don't think it's fossilized, at least not what comes out of the Siberian perma-frost.
 
Mammoth tooth tends to be more fossilized than the ivory. Its more like working with rock. California banned the use of either on July 1, 2016. This was a pretty big hit for us at the time as a full 20 percent of the knives I made at the time use one or the other of the mammoth materials.

Mammoth tooth. I made this knife prior to the ban and it was back in the shop recently for a new sheath:

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Course can't show a mammoth ivory knife as Imgur went down. Oh well. Later if I get a chance. Kay Imgur is back up. Mammoth Ivory:

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Mammoth Tooth (top) and mammoth ivory( bottom):

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Mammoth tooth is much more difficult to work than the ivory but truth be told I don't really miss working with either. Both kinda a PITA in their own separate ways.
 
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Mammoth tooth tends to be more fossilized than the ivory. Its more like working with rock. California banned the use of either on July 1, 2016. This was a pretty big hit for us at the time as a full 20 percent of the knives I made at the time use one or the other of the mammoth materials.

Mammoth tooth. I made this knife prior to the ban and it was back in the shop recently for a new sheath:

3GHHdFV.jpg


Course can't show a mammoth ivory knife as Imgur went down. Oh well. Later if I get a chance. Kay Imgur is back up. Mammoth Ivory:

B0jkETd.jpg


CXIg4BA.jpg


LPSxOPZ.jpg


Mammoth Tooth (top) and mammoth ivory( bottom):

UKaTypj.jpg


Mammoth tooth is much more difficult to work than the ivory but truth be told I don't really miss working with either. Both kinda a PITA in their own separate ways.
the knives are really really beautiful, gorgeous, especially the picture 2, 3, 4, so impressive.
 
interior mammoth ivory can be hard to tell from elephant for some people. You CAN tell though if the Schrieger lines are visible, and usually if they're not. The states that outlawed buying and selling ancient and other ivory ( Mammoth, Mastodon, Walrus, Hippo etc) SAY they are doing it to protect elephants. Supposedly elephant ivory is passed off as Mammoth to get past customs or bans. My opinion is that they either just don't want to train their people correctly or they are actually dumb enough to believe they are protecting a living animal.

interior Mammoth Ivory

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interior mammoth ivory can be hard to tell from elephant for some people. You CAN tell though if the Schrieger lines are visible, and usually if they're not. The states that outlawed buying and selling ancient and other ivory ( Mammoth, Mastodon, Walrus, Hippo etc) SAY they are doing it to protect elephants. Supposedly elephant ivory is passed off as Mammoth to get past customs or bans. My opinion is that they either just don't want to train their people correctly or they are actually dumb enough to believe they are protecting a living animal.

interior Mammoth Ivory

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True. If you can see the cross cut Schreger lines, mammoth is very easy to distinguish from modern elephant. Mastodon, however, is very similar to modern elephant.
I can see why interior mammoth like the knife you posted could be problematic because in the longitudinal view of the Schreger lines, it is very difficult to differentiate between mammoth and modern elephant. I just don’t understand why they extend the argument to bark mammoth. No modern elephant ivory looks like that, unless someone is taking nice white modern ivory and aging/coloring it to make it look like bark mammoth, which brings a premium.
 
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