When did Military Knives become black?

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Today I think of anything remotely "tactical" being black bladed. I have been wondering when military/combat knives became black, as is black blades, to cut glare and/or corrosion resistance. WWII? Vietnam? I know the USN MK-3 had a black blade, and I think the Air Force Pilots survival knife had a black blade. Were any US WWII knives like Ka-Bars made with black blades? Were all the F-S daggers black during WWII?
Thanks.
 
My father gen fought during WWII and I heard one of his buddies talking about blacking his survival knife with soot in his ditch bag. They were in the 8th Army Air Force. Other than that & parkerized knives. It’s been the last 20 years afaik.
 
The Jet Pilot Survival Knife (Ontario 499) and some (but not all) Bayonets had a Parkerized blade. They were not necessarily black. Some were O.D. Green Parkerized.
So far as I know, the Ka-Bar were never parkerized. The leather handles were treated to resist mold/mildew and had a coating that made the leather black.

Black blades (and that particular knife's alleged use by military personnel in a combat zone) on a lot of knives is nothing but marketing hype.
I know the only fixed blade/"combat knife" the majority of troops ever carry in a combat zone is a bayonet, if one was issued with their rifle.
The average trooper is far more likely to have a multi-tool of one sort or another in one of his pockets than a second fixed blade on his belt.
 
Black Blades for Black Ops :D:rolleyes:
Light Sabers are the ultimate light discipline :cool:
OTF when you're out the back :mad:
Karambit for Kombat :mad:
Tanto tips can help you achieve penetration;)

Seriously though, the widespread black coatings seemed to become a more popular thing in the late 80's early 90's and nearly
a requirement for a "tactical" blade by the early 2000s
I like that they help a good bit with avoiding rust, even when worn and you can see silver showing through, there seems to be enough coating left to help protect the blade.
I also really dig the way a beat up/ scratched up blade coating looks. It's almost like some sort of new school patina for me.
 
Lots of black knives in WWII. Check out the Fairbairn-Sykes Commando Knife and the V-42 to start as a couple examples.
 
Lots of black knives in WWII. Check out the Fairbairn-Sykes Commando Knife and the V-42 to start as a couple examples.
The Devils brigade I believe there were called, had the V-42 but there far more copies than ever originally made. I have a FS Commando and have see not seen a black WWII one. Do you have an exsample of a black FS?
 
The Devils brigade I believe there were called, had the V-42 but there far more copies than ever originally made. I have a FS Commando and have see not seen a black WWII one. Do you have an exsample of a black FS?
If I had one I'd have broken the tip off long ago but if you ever get to a Commonwealth Military museum you'll see examples.

Lots of pics here. https://www.fairbairnsykesfightingknives.com/

Also Smatchet!!

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I would guess that there are older examples too. Given that a lot of those knives were carbon steel I bet that some folks would treat them to prevent corrosion. I just can't cite any examples.
 
If I remember correctly, the contracts for the original MACV-SOG Bowie knife required that it would be black and had no distinguishing markings. Clearly it happened after some of the knives mentioned above, but it certainly shows that it's something the military considered for tier one operators.

I lent the book I read it in (SOG: The secret wars or America's commandos in Vietnam) to my Father-in-Law, so I can't verify it for sure.
 
If I remember correctly, the contracts for the original MACV-SOG Bowie knife required that it would be black and had no distinguishing markings. Clearly it happened after some of the knives mentioned above, but it certainly shows that it's something the military considered for tier one operators.

I lent the book I read it in (SOG: The secret wars or America's commandos in Vietnam) to my Father-in-Law, so I can't verify it for sure.

The original Ben Baker MACV-SOG bowies were almost all blued SK3 steel. But the color ended up varied, some black, some blue and even "plum" colored.
 
on knife coatings
https://agrussell.com/blog/blade-coatings
in particular military
"......Parkerizing
The Parker Rust Proofing finish, today known as Parkerizing is a common form of protecting a knife from rust. There are two types of Parkerizing, manganese phosphate which is a dark charcoal black and zinc phosphate which is a lighter gray. At one time or another both forms of Parkerizing were used by the military contractors. Today we hear much about the gray/green color variation, I know of no phosphateing that will give a green color right out of the bath. For this color phenomenon to occur it is usually a contamination of the bath fluid, in most cases Cosmoline is the likely suspect. Another factor in the coloration is the type of steel used and the hardness after heat treating. I have seen many knives with blades of a different color then the pommel. This can be due to being parkerized at different times or the hardness of the different metals. On brass such as scabbard throats and the 1918 Mk1 Trench knife handle a solution of sulphuric acid was used to darken those items, this is not to be confused with a phosphate coating. Parkerizing was a cheap easy way to prevent rust, that was the main goal of it for military applications. Bluing was much more time consuming, the product had to be buffed quite considerably before even getting to that stage which increased manpower and cost. In many cases Parkerizing can be brought back to life with a small application of oil, it does tend to darken up the color a bit, just like the brown or green Micarta handles on an older Randall. Add oil and they return to the original black...."
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_2.htm

guess the coatings were primarily for
dealing with rust.
the natural resulting effect often darkens metal.
low glare from rust coatings may have been entirely a coincidental "tactical" feature that
was keenly noted for its "stealth" feature.
reflective surfaces gives away positions.
this included evertything on a soldier
which reflected light, like for instance
buttons and buckles which were done away with, tucked away hidden or dulled.
 
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Why am I remembering a soldier and his Zippo letting carbon deposit on the blade just out of reach.of the flame! Can't remember why this is.in my brain!! Any help there!
 
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The 1917 Bolo, and 1917, 1918 Trench knife models all had some type of blackening or bluing of the blades. The 1918 Trench knife also had a chemical blackening of the handle that is frequently scrubbed away. WWI is the first era I can think of that had intentionally subdued blades.
 
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