Which is legal in CA to keep in my car (center console, under driver seat) pic included

Actually, California knife laws a very lenient, you can carry a machete on your belt if you want. There are some knives that are illegal, like daggers, gravity and automatic knives. And county by county, it's a different story; also there some additional restrictions in government buildings (DMV, for instance) and on school properties. If somebody asks you, tell them you need it for work, in some counties, intent and "lingering" play a role ... I'm not a lawyer, please google it to make your own opinion ....
 
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i just called my local PD station and spoke with a corporal police office. he said the knife, kubotan, and metal pipe is illegal to keep in my car. anything that can cause bodily harm is illegal he states.

box cutter is fine to keep but it has to be for work purposes only, but if its for personal protection then it is illegal.

he recommended to look up 'emergency seatbelt cutter and window hammer' on amazon. i mean i don't want to get in trouble w/the law, but not having any sort of personal protection doesn't jive with me, but the laws the law i suppose.
 
i just called my local PD station and spoke with a corporal police office. he said the knife, kubotan, and metal pipe is illegal to keep in my car. anything that can cause bodily harm is illegal he states.

box cutter is fine to keep but it has to be for work purposes only, but if its for personal protection then it is illegal.

he recommended to look up 'emergency seatbelt cutter and window hammer' on amazon. i mean i don't want to get in trouble w/the law, but not having any sort of personal protection doesn't jive with me, but the laws the law i suppose.


What a load of crap.

Either the cop flat out lied to you, because cops tend to react negatively to members of the public being armed or having "weapons" in their car, or he was simply ignorant of the law. Both are not uncommon.

To say it's illegal to have "anything that can cause bodily harm" in your vehicle is ludicrous. What about a hammer, or a screwdriver, or a tire iron, or a jack handle, or a big metal flashlight, baseball bat, golf club, etc, etc, etc.

As long as the knife in question isn't a switchblade or butterfly knife with a blade 2" or longer, then it is perfectly legal to keep anywhere in the driver/passenger area of a vehicle, visible or concealed.

As for a piece of pipe, there is nothing inherently illegal about having a piece of pipe in your vehicle. It is illegal however to intentionally carry an item for use as a club against people, including carrying it in your car. Telling a cop you have it for use as a weapon is a criminal admission that could get you arrested. But they wouldn't know you were carrying it as a weapon unless you told them. Case law on this is People v. Grubb.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the California penal code that says it's illegal to carry a knife for self-defense, or even for use as a weapon (hard to believe, but true).

It is widely known that the police are a terrible source of information when it comes to the law regarding knives, weapons, and the general public, for the very reasons I mentioned at the beginning of this post. You are free to believe the cop if you want, but I think it would be a shame to give up your lawful rights based on bad info from a cop who may very well have been lying to you.

Here is a link to the OFFICIAL California government legislative website where all of California's knife and weapon laws can be found- https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml

To use the search function click "Text Search", left side, middle of the screen. Then click the box next to "Penal Code" bottom of middle column, then type whatever words you want to search for into the search boxes and click "Search" at the bottom of the page.

And here is the list of prohibited weapons in the state of California (from that same site)- https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=16590.&lawCode=PEN

I'm 51 years old, and I've lived in California all my life. I'm not a lawyer, but I've had several in my employment, and I have received what I consider to be a good education on the laws of this state regarding it's knife and weapon laws (firearms not included).

On a personal note, I would never choose a piece of pipe for self-defense. When it comes to blunt force weapons it's always good to have a reasonable, logical, and legitimate reason to carry what you're carrying. I carry a 14" crescent wrench when I ride my motorcycle, but it's the appropriate size wrench for my rear axle nut. And gosh darn it, all the vibration my bike experiences when I ride can sometimes cause that nut to loosen. So before every ride I use the wrench to check it.

EDIT- I edited this post to remove incorrect information regarding kubotans. Under California law they would be considered "metal knuckles" which are illegal to posses. Thank you to JohnnyLightOn for correcting my error in post #21.
 
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Actually, California knife laws a very lenient, you can carry a machete on your belt if you want. There are some knives that are illegal, like daggers, gravity and automatic knives. And county by county, it's a different story; also there some additional restrictions in government buildings (DMV, for instance) and on school properties. If somebody asks you, tell them you need it for work, in some counties, intent and "lingering" play a role ... I'm not a lawyer, please google it to make your own opinion ....
(i) A concealed dirk or dagger, as prohibited by Section 21310.
 
I'm inclined to believe you. Cops don't want citizens to have any sort of protection for THEIR safety; they could give a damn about ours.

I did mention stuff like a wrench, spare tire kit tools, etcc.. He said they are of course legal to keep in your truck. I asked if I could keep it under my driver seat for my protection, and he said that would be illegal. I guess if I asked without saying 'for my protection' it'll come back to 'keep it in your trunk where it belongs'.

A retractable knife I would have to do more research on but I just can't fathom it being illegal. I know certain knives are illegal, such as a fixed blade knife (dirk) which I did get charged for several years ago (didn't know it was illegal). Same with kubotans I would have to do more research. I think its considered blunt object, but it does have a keyring on it to attach to. As for the pipe, I suppose there is no need for it if I will keep a knife in my car's center console.

Thanks for the links; you have been very helpful.
 
Neither "fixed-blade" knives, "dirks", or "daggers" are illegal in California. It is however illegal to carry them concealed on your person (California penal code 21310). It is perfectly legal however to carry them openly on your person in public, have them in any part of your vehicle, visible or concealed (not concealed on your person), and of course legal to have them in your home. Some counties and cities do have blade length limits on openly carried knives.

If you were arrested and charged for possession of a fixed-blade I would be curious to know the details. But you're under no obligation to share.

And under California law, a length of pipe would be considered a "billy", but only if you possess it with intent to use it as a weapon, or refer to it as a weapon, otherwise it's just a piece of pipe. "billy" is the word the California lawmakers chose to refer to anything possessed with the intent to use it as a club.
 
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Any fixed blade knife can be a “dirk or dagger” under California law and should be carried openly in a sheath suspended from the waist.

20200. A knife carried in a sheath that is worn openly suspended from the waist of the wearer is not concealed within the meaning of Section 16140, 16340, 17350, or 21310.
 
If you were arrested and charged for possession of a fixed-blade I would be curious to know the details. But you're under no obligation to share.

i wasn't arrested. i was given a fine. i'd be happy to give you the details. anything in particular you'd like to know?
 
i wasn't arrested. i was given a fine. i'd be happy to give you the details. anything in particular you'd like to know?

Like I said, I was just curious, because I know fixed-blades are legal to possess and carry as long as they are carried openly. So it struck me as odd when you said you were "charged". I thought maybe you had gotten screwed by the criminal justice system, which is always a possibility. I don't need to know the details and I'm not one to invade someone else's privacy.
 
You sure it’s not a county issue ? Can be much more restrictive than the state law.
 
it was in my car's glove box. initially pulled over for a seatbelt violation in orange county, CA. when i opened my glove box to give him my registration and insurance, he saw the dagger.
 
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I did some research, and although Orange County, CA doesn't have their own official website with their local laws, their laws can be found here- https://library.municode.com/ca/orange_county/codes/code_of_ordinances

And it would appear that Orange County doesn't have any local knife laws. This is not unusual for counties in California, I live in San Diego, and we don't have local knife laws here. In the absence of local knife laws state laws apply.

I did searches on that site for "knife", "dagger", and "weapon", but found zero results related to knives (several results for firearms).

I also went looking around the internet to see if I could find any other sources of information regarding knife laws in Orange County, and I found this blog site from an attorney in OC who describes himself as an Orang County weapons lawyer- https://socallawblog.blogspot.com/2016/05/what-kinds-of-knives-are-legal-to-carry.html

That attorney makes no reference to OC having their own knife laws, and instead gives an accurate explanation of CA state knife laws. I provide the link only because his information is accurate, and because he's an OC attorney. And frankly, I'm impressed by how accurate it is. I've seen plenty of websites, including lawyer websites that get one or a few things wrong about CA knife laws. If I lived in OC I would make a note of that attorneys site and phone number in case I ever needed a lawyer for a weapons charge. He appears knowledgeable, and I like his attitude.

Under California state law, there is nothing illegal about having a dagger in the glove compartment of a vehicle, or having it in any other part of ones vehicle. For reference- a dagger/fixed-blade inside ones glove compartment does not constitute a "concealed" dirk/dagger. California law specifies that for a "dirk/dagger" to be illegally "concealed", that it has to be "carried upon the person". That means on your body, inside your clothing, and it can mean carried in some form of baggage like a backpack/duffle bag, etc (case law on that is People v. Steven Wade).
 
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Appreciate all the help I've been getting so far. Thanks!!

Ok so here's the details to my case:

I have the case number but I'd rather keep that private for now.

case category: criminal/traffic
case level/type: misdemeanor
charge: PC 12020(a)(4)
charge date: 4-21-2005
filing date:6-3-2005
case status: closed 12-31-2006
charge dispo date: 11-3-2008
charge dispo type: Dismissal pursuant to Penal Code 1203.4(a)
destruction date: 9-21-2013

I looked up the penal code here:

https://www.abc.ca.gov/education/me...al-guide/weapons/california-penal-code-12020/

and it states:

Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger.

However, a first offense involving any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade shall be punishable only as an infraction unless the offender is an active participant in a criminal street gang as defined in the Street Terrorism and Enforcement and Prevention Act (Chapter 11 (commencing with Section 186.20) of Title 7 of Part 1). A bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent is not a destructive device as that term is used in Section 12301.

i got the case dismissed with the help of a lawyer. The form states: pled guilty set aside, plea of not guilty entered and case dismissed as to count(s) 1 pursuant to provisions of penal code 1203.4a
 
This topic is of interest to me.

I live in City of Los Angeles. As far as I have been able to learn on the Internet, I am limited to carrying folders of 3-in. or less. I mention this because a) I hope to be corrected if my understanding is wrong, and b) we cannot discuss state regulations without considering county and city statutes.

Thank you.
 
This topic is of interest to me.

I live in City of Los Angeles. As far as I have been able to learn on the Internet, I am limited to carrying folders of 3-in. or less. I mention this because a) I hope to be corrected if my understanding is wrong, and b) we cannot discuss state regulations without considering county and city statutes.

Thank you.

I'm very familiar with Los Angeles County and municipality (city) knife laws as I've been there for work. LA laws are a bit odd because they actually favor concealed folding knives over openly carried folding knives. Both Los Angeles county and municipality knife laws are the same (they just use different statute numbers). Here's a breakdown-

Folding knives-

Carried concealed: Any size folder can be carried concealed. Make sure not even the pocket clip is showing. A visible clip can constitute "visible". And carried in a belt sheath is not concealed.

Carried openly: The length of the blade must be less than 3". Don't think you can carry a 3" blade believing that the cops won't care about a fraction of an inch. The law, and those who interpret it can be hyper-technical and that fraction of an inch is enough to get you convicted.

Fixed-blades-

Carried concealed: It is ALWAYS illegal in the state of California to carry a fixed-blade of any size concealed, regardless of city or county (including Los Angeles).

Carried openly: Same as folding knives. Blades must be under 3" in length.

But there are exceptions to the length limit written into the laws. For example- if you are openly carrying a knife for legitimate work, recreational, or religious purposes, then there is no blade length limit and you can openly carry any size knife you want. However, you had better be able to PROVE that you were carrying for work, recreational, or religious purposes.

It is illegal to carry any size switchblade, icepick, straight razor, or utility knife/box cutter openly in Los Angeles (but there are the same exceptions for ice picks and utility knives/box cutters).

Here is a link to Los Angeles municipal codes where you can search for their knife laws. Click "Los Angeles Municipal Code" in the middle of the screen, and then click the search function at the top of the screen- http://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/los_angeles/latest/lamc/10-0-0-107363

And here is a link to the Los Angeles county codes. Just use the search box at the top of the screen- http://library.municode.com/ca/los_angeles_county/codes/code_of_ordinances
 
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K killgar : I was hoping that you would respond to my post. Thank you. I'll carry my 4.47-in. folder starting tomorrow.

In your experience, is Los Angeles Code § 55.01 a concern?

I personally wouldn't be concerned about it. I couldn't find anything in the Los Angeles law that defines knives as "dangerous or deadly weapons". And I can't imagine that the lawmakers expected everyone who carrys a concealed pocketknife to get a permit to do so.
 
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