Why do people like 1095 for pricier knives?

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Clearly, 1095 is perfectly capable of making a quality knife. The same could be said of 1070. 1095 is a very inexpensive steel, containing little more than iron, carbon and manganese. It contains enough carbon to make it hypereutectoid, so it will form simple carbides. But it does not have any of the minor alloying ingredients that raise the edge stability, toughness and edge retention that even low alloy steels like 1095CV, 52100, O1, C100, 80CrV2 and W2 contain. 1095 is such an inexpensive steel to buy and HT that Ontario still sells very large 1095 Old Hickory butcher knives for less than $20.

1095 has a certain allure - it has been used in famous military knives, and performed admirably.

It also has the allure of being associated with a number of knives that actually don't use 1095. I have heard 1095 touted as being associated with Mora, Cold Steel Bushman and Becker/KaBar. I'm sure there are others. C100, SK-5 and 1095CV are not 1095.

I think there are also folks that admire the simplicity of 1095, and in a complex world the basic nature of 1095 suits the desire for a straightforward outdoors tool. Instead of debating between A2 and O1, 1095 is viewed as a default.

There is also some discussion of 1095 heat treat. Some folks talk about the HT as if it requires great care or a special recipe. This really isn't the case - unlike steels like D2 and 52100, there is really just one right way to do 1095. It isn't secret and it isn't difficult for a professional to perform.


I have nothing against 1095. All steels excel at something, and 1095 excels at making a tough, sharp knife for relatively little expense. I just don't personally understand why anyone would choose a knife made of 1095 if they are spending into the tool steel price range unless there simply is no other choice to get the features they desire.


I realize this is a controversial viewpoint, but keep in mind that nothing I've written is factually inaccurate. The boys over on the blademakers subforum would not disagree about the relatively simplicity and low cost of grinding and heat treating 1095. It is a very good steel, and there are better.


Please post your thoughts. :)
 
I think 1095 is a good knife steel. I like how a good version of it takes to a stone or strop. It's certainly not one for the snobs though as it's way down the miracle list.

I think "allure" is indeed the word. Having a heavy outdoor background where knives are concerned, I have used a lot of 1095 and have always been impressed by it. All the usual reasons.... I also like its patina potential.

I would like to own a quality traditional three blade of good1095, maybe something even with some kind of brand or pattern etching on the blade(s), of the older style, and get it super sharp. And hope I could wait and not force a nice patina.
 
People like it for the exact reasons you list. It is not some great mystery. What is a "pricier" Knife anyway?
 
That rather depends on the extras and competition, as well as how much people valuate those extras. I make kydex sheaths, so they seem inexpensive. Other people see them differently.

But $100 for 1095 seems high, to me. The additional cost of O1 is a tiny fraction of that price.
 
I actually agree with most of what you said. 1095 is tried and true, the baseline what people love in their knife steel.

You can get 1095 on the cheap in the Ontario Old Hickory series, I don't think anything in the series breaks $20. And if you prefer thicker stock you can find Schrade's Schf36 & 37 for $25 and $30 and people love them.

As far as 1095 in pricier knives, I believe you are mostly paying for design, place of origin, and warranty since the steel is relatively inexpensive.

As far as my own personal thoughts on 1095 go I come from a sword collecting background first and foremost, my first blade was 28" of cutting edge. I came into smaller fixed blades(for me anything less than 20" cutting edge) with a bit of blade biased, in swords I saw 1095 as a very hard steel on the brittle side and while being able to take and keep a nice edge longer was not as tough or durable as it's lower carbon steel brethren. Though now I know a bit better I still tend to gravitate to lower carbon steels(1050-1080), springs steels, and tool steels for fixed blades.

Please don't get me wrong I do like 1095, it's a good steel, but so is AUS8 and I do not personally believe that either steel is worth the premium prices some manufacturer's sell them for though everyone is entitled to spend and buy what they wish.
 
That rather depends on the extras and competition, as well as how much people valuate those extras. I make kydex sheaths, so they seem inexpensive. Other people see them differently.

But $100 for 1095 seems high, to me. The additional cost of O1 is a tiny fraction of that price.

It doesn't to me considering the "extras". This is flawed from the get go.
 
So what brands are selling 1095 for over $100? do these knives have nice kydex sheathes and micarta handles? or Nylon handles and no sheath?

The steel on its own is not that expensive, so the only way it gets to be over $100 is for the other pieces of the knife to drive the price up. Brand, handle material, sheath material, F&F, they all are taken into account by any reasonable company, and thus you'll rarely find a knife over $100 in 1095 that still isn't a good value.
 
So we agree that you must consider the extras. Great.

That is completely left out of your OP where you say what you have said is factually accurate. So no, I don't think we agree. This is a preference and opinion based argument that is either being touted as fact or proposed without very relevant facts (cost and "extras").
 
So what brands are selling 1095 for over $100? do these knives have nice kydex sheathes and micarta handles? or Nylon handles and no sheath?

The steel on its own is not that expensive, so the only way it gets to be over $100 is for the other pieces of the knife to drive the price up. Brand, handle material, sheath material, F&F, they all are taken into account by any reasonable company, and thus you'll rarely find a knife over $100 in 1095 that still isn't a good value.

Yup :thumbup:
 
So what brands are selling 1095 for over $100? do these knives have nice kydex sheathes and micarta handles? or Nylon handles and no sheath?

The steel on its own is not that expensive, so the only way it gets to be over $100 is for the other pieces of the knife to drive the price up. Brand, handle material, sheath material, F&F, they all are taken into account by any reasonable company, and thus you'll rarely find a knife over $100 in 1095 that still isn't a good value.

It's as if I hadn't posted already about sheaths and stuff.


Tops comes to mind. YMMV.
 
That is completely left out of your OP where you say what you have said is factually accurate. So no, I don't think we agree. This is a preference and opinion based argument that is either being touted as fact or proposed without very relevant facts (cost and "extras").

I didn't name a price level in the OP.

Then you asked for one, and I did mention the extras.


If you're going to say I'm wrong, just quote it. You can't in this case because the OP didn't contain what you're calling me out on.
 
I buy the knife I like based on the overall knife.
If I don't think it's worth it--to me--for whatever reason, then I don't buy it.
It's really entirely as simple as that.

I don't have a formula or a checklist of things that must be met; I just buy what I like.

Some of the knives I have like are made with 1095 steel, and since I wanted them, I paid the price that was asked in order to get them.
 
Hahaha

Don't be such a "steel snob" ;)


No one's buying a raw bar stock of 1095 for over $100

There getting a finished product.

Tops and ESEE offer a more refined product with more features
 
Hahaha

Don't be such a "steel snob" ;)


No one's buying a raw bar stock of 1095 for over $100

Their getting a finished product.

Tops and ESEE offer a more refined product with more features

And you can find those features in other knives with nicer steel for similar prices.
 
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