Wilderness Dog Companion???

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Seems to be a number of folks here who have a four legged companion accompanying them on Wilderness outings.

My wife and I are seriously considering getting a new dog since ours past along a while back. He was a mutt so their is no replacing him. He was a "one-of-a-kind" perfect dog. My wife and I are going back and forth on what to buy.

Here is what we're considering and I'd like to get some insight from any of you!

Dog must be highly intelligent, trainable, and a fun loving family pet. We live in a house with a medium size fenced back yard. The dog will be obedience trained. We need a dog who can hang with the family but also can go in the wild on trips. The ability to track people is expected for SAR.

My wife works at home so someone is going to be with the dog. I travel so having a four legged watch dog at home is an added benefit. This dog will travel with me in the wilderness on our expeditions. Leashed and off leash obedience is an absolute! This new dog must immedately obey hand signals and/or voice commands.

The dog must be able to alert the family for danger (watchdog) both at home and in the wild. We want to know if any two or four legged predators or strangers are approaching. Where I camp is in a densely populated area for Mtn. Lion, Bear and Drug/Gang culture. Lots of Meth Labs, Mary Jane Growing and the like...

As a secondary, being able to protect (guard dog) is a strong second as we have the capacity to do this on our own...but this is a serious consideration.

Nothing against all the other breeds but my wife and I have seriously considered multiple other breeds. You can certainly throw your preferred pet's breed names out as recommendations but my wife is very set in her ways and these two breeds are on our short list:

My first choice and my wife's second choice is a German Shepard. But my wife is not crazy about their looks, (esthetics's are important to her) and they tend to shed. We do know they need constant training and work. They are highly intelligent, very loyal and will do everything I expect of them. However, they just require an awful lot of additional work. I have several Law Enforcement K-9 Trainer as close- friends so I have resources close by to help me train and they are very good resources.

My second choice and possiblty my wife's first choice is a Red-bone Coon-hound. My wife adores their looks, floppy ears, big wet nose, and overall looks. I could see her cuddled up on the couch reading a book next to the fire with this dog laying next to her. I can't see that with the G Shepard tho.

I do not know anything about them only what I've read from the Internet. I'd really appreciate some first hand reports on if this dog would make a good family pet and meet our tracking, watchdog, and guard dog requirements. Are they intelligent and trainable? Or am I going to have a train wreck on my hands? I do not want a Mtn Lion coming into our camp and this hound taking off after it in hot persuit trying to tree it or hunt it without me giving it the command to do so.

Talk to me my wilderness cojourners
 
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German sheparda are good dogs but they are high maitenence and very hyper. Of course the only sheppard I have experience with is the local sheriff's k-9 unit dog, and it is quite young. However if you want a defense dog I vote for the sheppard. They seem to have more natural aggresiveness. For a family pet I vote for the hound. The traits are partially exclusive in my experience, but I'm no expert. Hope this helps!
 
Quirt,
In my humble opinion, a German Shepard sounds like the dog that will serve you best. Disclaimer: Anything I say about a breed is a generalization, and there are exceptions to every rule. You'll have an easier time training a GSD to stay close to you, they have more of a tendency to guard, because that's what they are bred for. I've had Blueticks, and been around Redbones and Redbone crosses, Plotthounds, and Black and Tan Coonhounds. Most of them have a hunting instinct, that is, to run and find scent and tree or bay it. I have also kept two German Shepards, one was a retired Military Working Dog that had become shy of loud noises. Both will track, of course a Redbone will run a much colder (older) track. Also, coonhounds lean toward the LOUD side, because that's how they let you know they have found a trail. Both should have lots of exercise to be happy, but I'd venture to say the Redbone would require more.

Here's what I consider the best breed in each area:

Trainable: German Shepard
Protective: German Shepard
Intelligence: German Shepard
Tracking: Redbone
Shedding: Redbone (shorter hair)
Calmness(given exercise): German Shepard


Remember, these are only generalizations based on the dogs I knew. I really like hounds, also. I hope this helps!

Wes
 
I have owned German Shepherds for the past 35 years.

I'm on my fifth one.

They do shed and you have to MAKE SURE you get one from a Breeder with a reputation--not some backyard where you have no idea what you will get other than the way it LOOKS.

Here is a site listing the good and bad points(of German Shepherds and all other others)

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/germanshepherds.html

CLICK AND READ THE ABOVE SITE---LONG BEFORE YOU GET ANY DOG

TRUST ME ON THAT

My wife had never had a German Shephard before meeting me in 2005.

We got one after her dog passed away

She could not be more pleased

A GOOD ONE WILL BE VERY BIG

AND GIVE HIS LIFE WILLINGLY IN PROTECTION OF HER

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We thougth about the Border but knew he/she would go "koo-koo" in our home. Just not enough mental activity to keep it challenged. My wife and I co-own a business and are married to the biz which fortunately does involve some wilderness work. But we cannot commit to the long hours required to keep a Border from going nuts. Otherwise it would be in the running.

Unfortunately we've eliminated pits bulls and all bulls in general. Nothing against the breed (I really like Pit Bulls).
 
having owned a shepard & had a close friend that trained shepards for Air Force Security my nod goes to a shepard from a good breeder. they are very trainable & supposed to understand up to 60 word commands.they will never have the nose of black & tan or as easy a disposition but to fill all the other requirements this is the one. rottweilers are the best home protectors but can be a liability in some public gatherings.
 
I have 2 mountain curs and don't think I will ever own anything else. Great hunters and great pets, for me they are perfect do everything dogs. Chris
 
The best 'wilderness' dog I ever heard of was a poodle/lab cross... a lady who guided in the western Chilcotin region of British Columbia a good while back used hers to guide grizzly and sheep hunts. However, that was a rare dog; often dogs will attract carnivores such as cougars, or (stupidly) go after a bear. And when the bear turns, they bring it right back to you. I believe that many cougar incidents where faithful Fido 'saved' the child/wife/g.f. etc., actually attracted the big cat and would better have been left at home.
 
Every dog is different, but every dog will also respond to good training, so there are lots of good choices. Any big dog is going to be a reasonably good alarm/watchdog -- comes with being part of the family.

Here's another wrinkle:

You might consider a field dog that has been bred for closer interaction than a tracking hound. Hounds can be more free-spirited, inclined to do their own thing -- while the retrieving/pointing gun breeds have been bred to be very tuned in to their handler.

I'm on my second Weimaraner, and can strongly recommend them.

They're unbelievably smart, super trainable, and every bit as protective as you could ever want a dog to be. Very clean, short coat, minimal shedding.

They are a super high energy breed, and requires lots of exercise (any working dog will, though). They're fast learners, but need challenges. Without them, they can turn their considerable energies into hellish destruction. Weims are VERY connected to their humans -- this is not a dog that will ever wander away. The downside to that is that they can be very emotional -- you have to be careful to avoid having problems with separation anxiety. It's like having another human in the house.

If you think a redbone is cute, you've never seen a Weim puppy.

;- )

German shorthair pointers are their closest relative, and share many characteristics. Though Viszlas aren't as closely related to Weims as they look, they also share a lot of characteristics, in a smaller dog.

With any purebred, especially the big popular breeds, pay close attention to the breeder, get references, and talk to them.
 
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I know of no other dog that is everything you listed for your wants better than the good old Labrador Retriever.

Goldens and Spaniels are good too but if you want the qualities you list with the least amount of shedding the Lab with his short coat is hard to beat.

Few dogs are smarter or more trainable and perfect hunting dogs. My mother has bred and shown dogs my whole life and I spent my childhood and teens at shows, matches, rallies, obedience and agility events. I worked for five years as a teen at my mother's friends kennel a breeder of German Shepards and Rottweilers. I have had lots of experience and been around many of the major breeds and some of the weirder ones. Plus I have owned some mixed breeds thruout the years.

Being 40, divorced, and with my son 19 years old I found myself missing that constant companion and that source of total acceptance and boundless and unconditional love that is a dog and decided to get my own. The first dog that would be "mine" and nobody else's since I was a boy. I knew exactly the dog I wanted. A lab.

Lab's do everything on your list better that a German Shepard and I am sure a Redbone is a better tracker but that doesn't mean better hunter.

Trainable
Protective
Intelligence
Tracking
Calmness (given exercise)

I can tell you with vast amounts of experience of years and probably exposure to some 200+ different ones that "fun loving family pet" is not a title that can be slapped on 99.9 % of German Shepards. When you get a wonderful one they can be Rin Tin Tin but that is by far the exception to the rule. They can be a difficult dog and over protectiveness is a trait and not a trait you want in a family dog or a dog that will be around other dogs. If I was a single woman I would have a German Shepard. If I have a family, no.

Hounds can be sweet dogs but are not overly bright.

My Lab Bart as a baby and this winter at 10 months old.
 

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Rhodesian Ridgebacks might be up your alley. Great breed. I have a Pit myself and she is beautiful. Got her as an emeciated worm infested rescue and she put on 20 lbs and has a great coat and an even better disposition.
 
I know of no other dog that is everything you listed for your wants better than the good old Labrador Retriever.

Goldens and Spaniels are good too but if you want the qualities you list with the least amount of shedding the Lab with his short coat is hard to beat.

Few dogs are smarter or more trainable and perfect hunting dogs. My mother has bred and shown dogs my whole life and I spent my childhood and teens at shows, matches, rallies, obedience and agility events. I worked for five years as a teen at my mother's friends kennel a breeder of German Shepards and Rottweilers. I have had lots of experience and been around many of the major breeds and some of the weirder ones. Plus I have owned some mixed breeds thruout the years.

Being 40, divorced, and with my son 19 years old I found myself missing that constant companion and that source of total acceptance and boundless and unconditional love that is a dog and decided to get my own. The first dog that would be "mine" and nobody else's since I was a boy. I knew exactly the dog I wanted. A lab.

Lab's do everything on your list better that a German Shepard and I am sure a Redbone is a better tracker but that doesn't mean better hunter.

Trainable
Protective
Intelligence
Tracking
Calmness (given exercise)

I can tell you with vast amounts of experience of years and probably exposure to some 200+ different ones that "fun loving family pet" is not a title that can be slapped on 99.9 % of German Shepards. When you get a wonderful one they can be Rin Tin Tin but that is by far the exception to the rule. They can be a difficult dog and over protectiveness is a trait and not a trait you want in a family dog or a dog that will be around other dogs. If I was a single woman I would have a German Shepard. If I have a family, no.

Hounds can be sweet dogs but are not overly bright.

My Lab Bart as a baby and this winter at 10 months old.

I do not want to start a flame war but

LABS ARE NOT MORE INTELLGENT THAN GERMAN SHEPHARDS BRO

They are NOT more protective or trainable as you stated.

http://www.petrix.com/dogint/1-10.html

German Shepherds are #3--LAB#7

Nor is a LAB a good choice for a protective dog

"One of the best dogs for children of all ages, Labrador Retrievers are kindly, good-natured, and take most things in stride.

Most Labrador Retrievers are very friendly with everyone, though compared to Golden Retrievers, many Labs are just a bit more conservative with their affections"


Read to the bottom about the GOOD and BAD of LABS

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/labradorretrievers.html

The Police use them for a reason--the reason???

No other breed can do all the shepherd can do as well
 
Sir the dog you are looking for is the black mouth cur, the original do it all pioneer dog. I know of three bloodlines that are extremely old.

They hunt, are protective of the family and have great noses. Smart and trainable and much less shedding than GSDs. I grew up with G. shepherds but after having my BMC "Jethro" I wont own another type of dog.

Check out http://www.bmcsouth.com or find another reputable breeder, as with any kind of dog if the breeder is breeding trash for a quick profit you will be disapointed no matter what breed you choose.

BMCs are a sort of "hybrid" hound, with the hunting ability of the hound breeds and the trainability of the German shepherd. IMHO, the ultimate "wilderness dog" because that is their heritage. They are shorthaired though so wont tolerate cold to the extent a GSD could.
 
Thanks guys! Please keep it up. This is very helpful. My wife and I are now looking at the Black Mouth Cur. Interesting. This dog has some possibilties. The irony is we know a family who raises and trains Cur's. Forgot all about this dog as a possibilty. Thank you for the suggestion!!!!

Yes, we're looking for a medium drive dog. We know we can get medium drive GSDs but my wife is just not 100% sold on one. I can buy one, she isn't holding me back on that, I just want this to be "our" dog and decision.
 
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The best 'wilderness' dog I ever heard of was a poodle/lab cross...

My vote goes here. Standard Poodle/Labrador cross. Sometimes called a Texas Water Dog or other names. One of the local ranchers had one. Great with kids and people in general.

This particular dog rescued a 5 year old who had wandered away during a picnic and had fallen in the lake.

The rancher had a run-in with a Bison cow (busted him up pretty good, he was 6 months recovering) and the dog got the Bison away from him long enough for him to crawl to his truck. The dog died from its injuries a month after.

He says he'll never own any other breed and has a new companion that appears to be every bit as good as his old dog.
 
Quirt,
I didn't mention that currently I have two Deutch Drahthaars. I do not recommend them or any other continental breed unless you are quite serious about hunting and training a versatile dog.

However, the best advice that seems to be a common thread in this thread :) is do your research, find a reputable breeder, know that you'll have time to care and train it.

Here are my Drahts:

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Sam
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Harry
 
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