Will Red loctite fix this if Blue Loctite does not?

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My Buck Vantage Pro's pivot screw loosens up after about 30 openings. It is loose to the point where noticeable blade play starts happening. So I bought blue loctite and doused the pivot screw hole with it.

Blade play started happening again . . . the pivot screw does not get loose to the point where it will come off, but it did not stay tight like I wanted it to.

Will Red loctite fix this problem if blue does not? Or perhaps an even stronger thread-locker? Or should I just try to revise my technique and try again with the blue? At this point I would like to know before I spend a few more bucks on another thread-locker.

Thanks.
 
If the loctite does not work try using teflon tape. I tried this with a screw on my Umnumzaan clip screw that I bent on a seat I was getting out of. After bending the clip back and putting it back together the screw would work it self lose. I tried teflon tape and it is fine now.

garciajr
 
Personally, I am not a fan of red Loctite on fasteners I may want to remove at some point. I've had issues trashing fasteners when some previous "genious" used the stuff.

Which Loctite are you using? I like the versions that work better with oil present, like 243 and Quickstick 248. Also, I find the 248 seems to work better with threads that have a looser clearance - some makers use such screws for some reason.

Oil contamination may be an issue - try cleaning the fasteners with denatured alcohol before applying the Loctite.
 
I would suggest the teflon tape as well or maybe trying that new type of thread locker that was mentioned a little further down in this forum (sorry forgot the name).

If you want to try something immediately I have had pretty good luck with some clear (colors work I just like clear) nail polish as a substitute for thread locker. If you have a significant other they should have some on hand.
 
. . . I have had pretty good luck with some clear (colors work I just like clear) nail polish as a substitute for thread locker. If you have a significant other they should have some on hand.

I just posted about that in another thread here. I don't buy threadlock anymore, I use clear nail polish. A gunsmith suggested clear NP because the sights kept losing their settings on my Ruger .44. Clear NP works great to hold the setting. Easy to clean up with nail polish remover too, but be careful on finishes, especially on wood.

thx - cpr
 
Go to the web site below and find what type you think you want. It is called Vibra-TITE. I have used it for years a on screws and nuts etc. for instrumentation and sub-assy's. It can be pre-loaded onto your screws etc. and left to dry till you use it.
http://www.ndindustries.com/
 
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Are you following the instructions when using the blue thread locker? I think you are suppose to let it sit for 24 hours or somthing along those lines.
 
I'd use green loctite, the 270-variety. VERY little to begin with, it's pretty sticky stuff. We use it for the rider-tab screws on our watches - these tend to come loose otherwise.
 
I used to use Loctite but nowadays use Teflon pipe tape. It doesn't make a mess and doesn't need to cure. I would use Acetone instead of alcohol though. Clean the pivot screw with Acetone, wait about 10 minutes for the Acetone to totally evaporate and then apply the Teflon tape or Loctite blue. I would not use red Loctite. Good luck.
 
I wouldn't recommend using red Loctite either.

I personal wouldn't trust pipe tape to do much locking, especially when trying to prevent a screw from moving if it has a moving part working against it. But, it will tighten up the thread fit, if it is loose, and increase friction helping prevent loosening, just not to the degree of a thread locker. It is intended more for sealing the threaded joint and does help prevent seizing, corrosion and locking up from those conditions. Other liquid thread sealants do about the same thing.

I have some experience with fasteners in motion, high vibration, and corrosive environments and have adopted the philosophy that most all threads should either be installed with thread lock or anti-seize compound (I use pipe tape on pipe threads too unless there is a contamination issue).

Thread lock really works great if you prep and apply it right. I use a thread lock (like Loctite 243) on most threads, except for some things with critical torque values where it is not recommended as it can cause invalid torque to be applied due to its lubricating properties while it is wet. I use it on boats, RC helicopters and airplanes, real airplanes and helicopters, motocross bikes, bicycles, cars, lawn equipment, etc. In addition to preventing a screw from loosening from motion or vibration it also seals it up preventing moister and other corrosive agents from getting into the threads and helps prevent dissimilar metal corrosion, electrolysis, as well as galling between the two threaded materials. This is especially important when working with steel and aluminum together. Most of my threads in metal either get Loctite, or if they don't need locking, I use anti-seize compound. I really don't like it when threads come loose or if I can't get them out when I want too. I usually think of anti-seize as the product to help get the fastener out later, but a screw put in with thread locker can be a lot easier to get out later then one that is corroded in place.

I would normally only use red for the side of a stud you never want to take out or the outside of a Helicoil.

Sounds like you have oil contamination to me too. A little oil film will really mess up Loctite's locking ability. Thread lockers work by crystallizing between the threads and engaging in the pits or roughness of the two parts.

Anything that removes the oil contamination will work.

Some solvents dry faster then others. Acetone drys very fast. It also dissolves old Loctite if you work at it. Alcohol doesn't. I have used Acetone, MEK, motor cleaner, electric contact cleaner (make sure it doesn't have and lube in it), alcohol, etc. They all work well. Electric motor cleaner or contact cleaner in an aerosol works great as it also floods and blows the oil away as well as drying quickly.

Let thread lockers cure properly. I probably don't let it cure as long as you are supposed to before putting into use, but that is another bit of good advice. If you turn it before you get full locking strength you break up the crystals and loose your locking strength. You get about 50% of the locking strength in 30 minutes to 3 hours depending on the thread fit. You can cut that in half with a little heat. An accelerator is also available. A little moisture applied outside the joint also seems to accelerate the curing process much like it does with super glue (like spraying the ends of the joint with a little water mist, wiping a little spit on it, or just breathing on it like when you polish an apple).

Hope that is helpful

Gary
 
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Thank you everyone for your suggestions. Originally I did wait 24 hours after applying the loctite before using it.

I'll try cleaning it out with Acetone and reapplying the loctite.

Oh, there is one thing I did that may have caused problems with the loctite . . . right after putting the loctite on and putting the pivot screw back on, I opened it quickly once or twice to make sure the pivot was tight enough. I kind of had to do that otherwise I might have loctited the pivot on a setting that made the opening of the knife too loose or too tight. But I think I am still ok because I did it immediately after putting the pivot in, so the loctite wouldn't have had a chance to start drying and hardening yet . . . right?
 
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