Working with Jade?

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I have a customer who would like me to build them a folder with jade scales.
Are there different grades of jade, is one better than another? Does it require lapidary equipment to work it?

I think my biggest concern would be drilling a hole in it.
Thanks,
Chuck
 
I have absolutely no experience working with jade or any other stone, and I'm sure that you'll get some advice from others here that will be more helpful than my advice, but.......

I have investigated having stone handle material on some of my knives at my local gem and rock supplier. The owner was very helpful and was willing to help me in one or both of two different ways. He offered to sell me the equipment to work the stone, or offered to do the work on the stone and fit it to my tang, so that all I needed to do was insert the pins and epoxy it. Since I like to do all of my own work, I have decided to wait until I get to the point of adding lapidary equipment. As far as jade is concerned, I don't really know if you need lapidary equipment or not. If you can't find the answers here, you might try a local rock and gem store in your area.

Ickie
 
You will need lapidary equipment for jade. I have some and have wanted to use it in handles but don't yet have all the eqipment I need. There are 2 basic kinds if jade, IIRC, nephrite jade and jadeite. Whichever you choose, it shouldn't have any cracks in it. You'll find tiny cracks running through clear jade. Clarity is also important. I think nephrite is the harder of the two.

The things you'll need are the ability to cut it, shape it, and polish it. The last 2 are the hardest. You can use a tile saw to nibble away at shaping it, but will need lapidary equipment to finish shaping it.

Try a local gem and mineral club for help. Someone there may have the equipmemt and be willing to walk you through the process.

Good luck.

Gene
 
There are 2 main varieties of Jade, Jadeite, and Nephrite, both are tough (for stone), both have A Mohs hardness of 6.5-7, you should be able to work with it using aluminum oxide or diamond grits, but you will want to work slowly with a coolant (that is how lapidary equipment works) Yes, lapidary equipment would be useful if you want to be able to work quickly and precisely, but people have been carving Jade for 3000+ years in the orient without dropping a grand to Lortone for tools. I would expect to waste material and time on the learning curve (I hate carving rocks, they always have some sort of hidden fracture that you find just as you are doing your final polish that will cause a large chunk to break off or an unsightly discoloration)

Drilling stones is best done VERY gently with diamond drills with a light oil or water bath. Some of the jewelry I make involves drilling tube settings through cabuchons. work slowly and gently, and let the diamonds do the work. Oh yeah I almost forgot, I wouldn't reccomend peening your pins

-Page
 
Jadeite jade is the typical oriental jade known for about 200 years. Ancient Chinese jade is white and clear nephrite sometimes turned red/brown by burial interaction. Jadeite is preferred for carving since the crystals are chunky as opposed to nephrite which has long crystals which are interlocked making a very tough stone. It grinds easily since it is fairly soft at about 6.5 hardness. In nephrite (commonly found in Wyoming, British Columbia, and Alaska), the color are shades of green from apple to black while Burmese jadeite can be found in every color including white, red, yellow, etc. The hardest and easiest to polish nephrite is Siberian nephrite from the steppes of the Ural Mts in Russia. The best pollishing compound for jade is chromium oxide. The best technique is to get the material so HOT that it will burn your hand to touch it. If you use dopping wax, the stone may melt off the dop wax. Get it HOT for best pollish.

Diamond tools are the best for cutting and drilling. Diamond tools must not get too hot or the diamond will burn (it is just carbon, after all). Use water for drilling colant.

Local gem shows or rockhound pow wows can have some great deals and local rock club members can also be a great source. There can be some very interesting patterns you might not expect.
 
Jade can be a bit frustrating to start on. The above advise is pretty much correct. Lapidary equipment is really a requirement if doing any more than simple polishing and shaping. To properly fit a pair of jade scales to a bolster and handle, and get a good polish will take some equipment,experience, and skill.

Jade can be ground with AO, SC, or Diamond wheels, discs,or belts. A water spray or drip is pretty much a necessity to avoid spalling and overheating.

While Peter B is on the right track, there is a bit more than "Get it Hot" involved in polishing some stones, jade included.

I have been a cutter and polisher for nearly 40 years now and have cut up many kilos of jade.I became as jeweler after first becoming an opal cutter.

Some physics will help understand polishing as it applies to many stones (and some metals):

The polishing of a surface is done in three ways;
1) Abrasion with decreasing grit size - referred to as the smaller scratch system.
2) Flowing the surface under pressure and heat generated by a hard polishing compound - This is the Twyman effect or Beilby surface.
3) Chemical polishing - this is more complex and involves the surface being chemically reacted in the polishing process and the high points chemically eroded down to a smooth surface

Jade is polished by (1) and (2). The surface needs to be reduced to as fine a finish as is practical, usually around 8000 grit, to get it smooth. It will look somewhat polished, but will have a slight haziness to it. Continuing on through grit size to 1/4 micron( about .00001 inch) or 100000 grit will help, but the have never quite disappears, even though the surface gets very smooth. Along the way a funny thing often happens. Orange Peel develops. A rippling of the surface that defies logic. This happens as whole clumps of atoms shear away, leaving a more pitted surface, not a smoother one. This is where the Flow polish comes in on stones that respond to it. These stones include the quartz family, corundum (ruby and Sapphire), zircons, and jade (as well as many others).
The flow is created by polishing with a very hard, but not necessarily abrasive polish. In the case of jade it is Chromium Oxide. When this polish is applied with pressure it develops a surface deformation and causes a super thin part of the surface to flow into a smooth and even layer, called the Beilby layer. This is why glass polishes to a white finish with abrasives and then gets water clear and smooth with a quick polish of cerium oxide. You don't actually want the stone too hot to hold as Peter suggested, as this may easily cause cracking, crazing, or outright breakage. The polishing should be done in quick firm strokes against a rotating polishing surface. Hard felt,phenolic surfaces,cloth belts, etc. are the usual polishing materials. Unlike the grinding and smoothing, the polishing is done as dry as possible, to alloy for the surface to flow.The compounds are often used in a block form that is mixed with a tallow or grease compound. That is basically the same as the chrome green polish we use on our knife blades to attain a mirror polish.Other compounds are mixed into a slurry and applied during the polishing as needed.

Before anyone has an epiphany, no you can't take a torch and "polish" the jade. That works for glass, because it is an amorphous silicate and as such has no crystal structure or solid state. Jade and other stones will crack if a flame is applied.

BTW, there was a Gemstone Genie lapidary grinder and polisher on ebay the other day for something like $150. Those cost about the same as a Bader grinder.
Hope this heps.
Stacy
 
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