WV Permitless Carry Incl. Knives Effective Today - Under Age 21 WARNING!

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Knife Rights supported West Virginia Permitless (Constitutional) Carry law INCLUDING KNIVES is effective today, May 24, 2016, according to guidance provided by West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey. The new law allows West Virginians 21 years old and older, who are not prohibited persons, to carry a concealed "deadly weapon," INCLUDING KNIVES, without a permit. That includes switchblades (automatics), balisongs and gravity knives.

WARNING: Persons 18 years old but less than 21 years old may obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun BUT that license DOES NOT include concealed carry of a knife or any other "dangerous weapon." The penalties for anyone under 21 carrying a concealed knife illegally have been made far tougher. It is now a FELONY!

Anyone who is younger than 21 should be very careful to abide by West Virginia's 3.5-inch concealed carry limit and the total prohibition on concealed carry of switchblades (automatics), balisongs and gravity knives.

Also, knife carriers still face local restrictions on their right to carry a knife. West Virginia's existing preemption law protects firearms owners only.

Knife Rights will be working in West Virginia next year to try and fix this absurd change in the law that adversely impacts those under age 21 as well as again attempting to pass Knife Rights' signature Knife Law Preemption bill.

Knife Law Preemption repeals and prevents local ordinances more restrictive than state law which only serve to confuse or entrap law-abiding citizens traveling within or through the state. Preemption ensures citizens can expect consistent enforcement of state knife laws everywhere in a state.

Knife Rights passed the nation's first Knife Law Preemption bill in Arizona in 2010 and has since passed preemption bills in Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and most recently in Wisconsin.

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Come to Michigan Doug! We need constitutional carry!!!!
 
Please come to Florida as well. We need knife preemption and a better definition of what a "common pocket knife" is. Thank you for your efforts this past year. I'm looking forward to seeing your successes this year.
 
They sure did good in Oklahoma last year. Knife laws preempted, and switchblades legal. Slightly off topic, but we're one step away from open carry of handguns with no permit required. Looking like it will become law, despite all the silly objections from business owners.
 
So, the 3.5" blade limit still applies to folks under 21 and they made it a felony to boot.
 
I thought it was anyone in WVA regardless of his residence ? For knives and guns ?
 
I didn't realize that:

A: a knife was a weapon.
B: that the word "arms" meant guns, or that the constitution stated "right to bear arms"******
******with a permit.
C: that 21 was the magical age when everyone just became trustworthy.

The idiots that make these laws have never left their ivory towers....
 
JR88FAN said:
I didn't realize that:

A: a knife was a weapon.
B: that the word "arms" meant guns, or that the constitution stated "right to bear arms"******
******with a permit.
C: that 21 was the magical age when everyone just became trustworthy.

The idiots that make these laws have never left their ivory towers....
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I'm a knife guy or I wouldn't be posting here so my comments are not intended to be inflammatory. A knife may be a weapon and regulated as decided by state legislatures to the extent such legislation does not violate a particular state or the US Constitution. The US Constitution does not define the term "arms" but courts have addressed the issue. See this scholarly article for an excellent discussion of the issue. Age has historically been used to determine whether one has sufficient "capacity" to do many things, e.g., marry, consent to sexual relations, vote, consume intoxicating beverages, etc. One may reasonably disagree with age as a "bright line" test but it has historical and legal precedent.
 
Vinifera said:
I'm a knife guy or I wouldn't be posting here so my comments are not intended to be inflammatory. A knife may be a weapon and regulated as decided by state legislatures to the extent such legislation does not violate a particular state or the US Constitution. The US Constitution does not define the term "arms" but courts have addressed the issue. See this scholarly article for an excellent discussion of the issue. Age has historically been used to determine whether one has sufficient "capacity" to do many things, e.g., marry, consent to sexual relations, vote, consume intoxicating beverages, etc. One may reasonably disagree with age as a "bright line" test but it has historical and legal precedent.
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Exactly....people in Ivory towers....thank you.

Knives are weapons in as much as a beer bottle, screwdriver, or a baseball bat.
Where does it end?
Anything is a weapon in the wrong hands.
A knive is a tool first, just like 50 other things that have a purpose ahead of hurting people but can still be used for doing so..

The constitution needs to be left alone, there is nothing wrong with it. It was written before men sold themselves to the highest bidder and their ideologies.

"Age is of majority" hmmm, that's a strange idea.

If you look around at that "age of majority" thing, In America you need to be able to grow a full beard before you can do anything....makes sense though as it's such a peaceful and non-violent nation compared to other developed countries?!?!

But sure, let's make it a felony to carry around a pocket knife, makes a whole lotta sense to me. I am scared of everything too.....
 
Here's what makes me nervous: read the press release; all it says is concealed handgun. That's also what all the local news outlets are saying.

http://wvmetronews.com/2016/03/07/constitutional-carry-what-it-does-and-does-not-do/


I'm not disagreeing with you; the way I read the law ("concealed deadly weapon") you're exactly right, and I very much hope this is the case. I wrote the Attorney General a letter about it; fingers crossed.
 
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Knife Rights passed the nation's first Knife Law Preemption bill in Arizona in 2010 and has since passed preemption bills in Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and most recently in Wisconsin.
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Please come to California before we lose all of our rights! It's pathetic I have to wait to travel to AZ before I can carry my auto.
 
JR88FAN said:
Exactly....people in Ivory towers....thank you.

Knives are weapons in as much as a beer bottle, screwdriver, or a baseball bat.
Where does it end?
Anything is a weapon in the wrong hands.
A knive is a tool first, just like 50 other things that have a purpose ahead of hurting people but can still be used for doing so..

The constitution needs to be left alone, there is nothing wrong with it. It was written before men sold themselves to the highest bidder and their ideologies.

"Age is of majority" hmmm, that's a strange idea.

If you look around at that "age of majority" thing, In America you need to be able to grow a full beard before you can do anything....makes sense though as it's such a peaceful and non-violent nation compared to other developed countries?!?!

But sure, let's make it a felony to carry around a pocket knife, makes a whole lotta sense to me. I am scared of everything too.....
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I can appreciate your frustration but at the same time what is your definition of a weapon and what is your proposed law so we may comment on your version of what the law should be and how it squares with the Constitution?

I did not advocate amending the US Constitution but at the same time the term "arms" is not defined. So what is your definition of arms? Would it extend to a nuclear device, howitzer, rocket launcher? The point being the Constitution does not explicitly define "arms" so you can argue highest bidder and ideology all you want but it still doesn't answer the question. If your point is there is no limit on what a citizen may lawfully possess in the way of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction then I don't believe your argument is well-reasoned.

A "pocket knife" and whether it constitutes an unlawful "weapon" remains within the province of state legislatures which are free to do so unless it violates the particular state or US Constitution which leads us back to the original question: What is an arm?

You may dismiss these discussions as "Ivory Tower" issues but this is how our country, like it or not operates because it is a nation of laws and not popular vote on forums or social media websites.

I won't comment about the age issue as I believe most reasonable people would not disagree with age restrictions as it relates to certain activities.
 
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